What is your god like? (15 Viewers)

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Hist

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"The CDC estimated that, in the 33 US states that reported on HIV incidence, 157,252 persons were diagnosed with HIV/AIDS between 2001 and 2004, 71% of whom were male. The CDC also noted that the majority of men who contracted the disease were affected through the act of sodomy, 17% through “high-risk” heterosexual contact, and 16% through injection-drug use."

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/nov/05111812.html
 

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Hist

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Premise 1: Everything within the natural world is logically natural.
Premise 2: Artificial insemination is within the natural world.

Thus artificial insemination is natural.
So cars are natural. Industry is natural. everything is natural.
What does artificial mean then?


I really like this sentence "Thus artificial insemination is natural".. no contradiction here. something can be both natural and artificial lol.

artificial means Human made. Rain is natural, airplanes are artificial.
You say homosexuality is natural.. artificial insemination is new invention. There was no artificial insemination a few years ago.
"Artificial insemination (AI) is the process by which sperm is placed into the reproductive tract of a female for the purpose of impregnating the female by using means other than sexual intercourse. In humans, it is used as assisted reproductive technology, primarily to treat infertility but is also increasingly used to enable women without a male partner (i.e., single women and lesbians) to produce children by using sperm provided by a sperm donor. The woman is the gestational and genetic mother of the child produced, and the sperm donor is the genetic or biological father of the child.

Specifically, in artificial insemination, freshly ejaculated sperm, or sperm which has been frozen and thawed, is placed in the cervix (intracervical insemination) (ICI)) or in the female's uterus (intrauterine insemination) (IUI) by artificial means.

Modern techniques for human artificial insemination were first developed for the dairy cattle industry to allow many cows to be impregnated with the sperm of a bull with traits for improved milk production."

Assuming artificial insemination is not artificial (which is absurd) .. still the male sperm is put into the female ova. so we still use both males and females. We cant reproduce without the mixture of male and female sperm/ova.
 

Hist

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Originally Posted by Juve Revolution View Post
Premise 1: Everything within the natural world is logically natural.
Premise 2: Artificial insemination is within the natural world.

Thus artificial insemination is natural.
Then we define the word natural completely different and all what everyone has been saying is completely false. If everything that exists is natural then there is no unnatural and there is no point in debating further.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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1) Homosexuality does not kill, yet gives a high risk of health problems and shorter life span.
2) HIV/AIDS kills.
3) There are more heterosexuals with HIV/AIDS than there are homosexuals with HIV/AIDS because the number of homosexuals on earth is negligible in comparison to the number of heterosexuals. The percentage of homosexuals with HIV is vastly higher than the % of heterosexuals.
4) Lesbians are quite possibly the lowest risk group of them all.(less risk than gays not heterosexuals)
5) If homosexuals get HIV/AIDS because of their unnatural behaviour, then surely we must say that Haitians are unnatural as well? I know nothing about haitans so i cannot judge.
6) You have been building your argument on false and fabricated evidence... NO!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48542
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html#12

By the way

Havent you been reading what bianconero and the other guy been saying?
Wow. I'm done debating this with you. You haven't read up on HIV/AIDS and you gave me a link to what seems to be a catholic website. It is truly a shame that you know so little about it and people like you are the reason why so many are dying every day. But here goes:

1) It does not. There's no factual evidence.
2) Obviously.
3) I don't get your point. You even say that more heterosexuals have the disease. That way we can only conclude that homosexuality is not the cause. If anything it might be a risk factor in the US and Europe, but I've already said there's a cultural reason for that.
4) No, they actually run smaller risks than heterosexual women do. Read FFS.
5) The H's scientists originally believed in? You know NOTHING about HIV/AIDS, my man.
6) Yes. You even gave a link for it.

Oh, by the way, that catholic website is all about demonising homosexuality. You may not know this, but the catholic church kind of disapproves of homosexual sex. They literally say that a lot of homosexual men have sex wit feces.

You have to be sick if you google HIV/AIDS and still don't see all the evidence that opposes your little fantasy. You managed to get that one insane link with no credibility whatsoever.
 
Jun 13, 2007
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Then we define the word natural completely different and all what everyone has been saying is completely false. If everything that exists is natural then there is no unnatural and there is no point in debating further.
When you say "natural", you do realize that this means " of nature", yes? What is nature? Nature is everything in this universe. Is artificial insemination part of this universe? Yes, thuse artificial insemination is natural.

You know what isn't "natural"? The supernatural. When something is supernatural, this means it is not part of the natural world we know of, thus unnatural.

Is artificial insemination supernatural? No, it is not, therefore it is natural, meaning part of this universe. Are you starting to get it now?
 

Hist

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It seems to me that you are more of against anything religions says regardless of the content more than you are supporting an opinion.

I gave the link but you obviously did not read it so here we go:
For those who doubt, consider the evidence:

1. Sexually transmitted diseases – Research gathered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or CDC, has found significantly higher rates of rectal gonorrhea, HIV/AIDS and all three strains of Hepatitis among homosexuals. Other studies have likewise linked homosexuality with increased rates of Human Papillomavirus (the leading cause of cervical cancer worldwide), syphilis and anal cancer. Although self-identified homosexuals account for less than 5 percent of the American population, they are the carriers of over 50 percent of HIV/AIDS cases.

2. Risky behaviors – Campaigns to foster so-called "safe sex" among homosexuals have done nothing to reduce risky behavior. A 1997 CDC report found that among homosexuals who had unprotected anal intercourse and multiple sexual partners, 68 percent were entirely unaware of the HIV status of their partners.

3. Promiscuity – A large percentage of homosexual men have hundreds of sexual partners throughout their lifetime. According to a profile of 2,583 homosexuals published in the Journal of Sex Research, only 2.7 reported having had sexual relations with only one partner, compared to the largest percentage that claimed to have had between 101 and 500 partners over their lifetime. Compare that to the markedly lower promiscuity rates among married heterosexual couples. According to the latest statistics from the CDC, 92 percent of married males and 93 percent of married females reported having had only one sexual partner over the previous twelve months (presumably their spouses).

4. Domestic abuse – A survey conducted by the Journal of Social Service Research found that more than half of lesbian respondents reported having been abused by a female partner or lover. Conversely, research has found that married heterosexual women experience the lowest rates of domestic abuse compared to other types of relationships.

5. Life span – A 1997 study published in the International Journal of Epidemiology found that even under "the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban center are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871." The same study estimated that homosexual behavior reduces the lifespan of males by eight to 20 years. Comparatively, the CDC has found that male and female smokers lose an average of 13.2 to 14.5 years of life, respectively.

These findings are not those of conservative pro-family advocacy groups, but of non-partisan, non-political medical journals and organizations devoted to protecting public health.


That is the non christian website.
Secondly, READ what someone has to say and then judge...
you discredited an entire article just because you hate christianity.
Again, I am not a christian but i do read what they have to say... the source does not quote from the bible it uses surveys and researches taken from actual research centers not from scripture.
 
Jun 13, 2007
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Then we define the word natural completely different and all what everyone has been saying is completely false. If everything that exists is natural then there is no unnatural and there is no point in debating further.
Also, you defined as natural as what is safest. Anyone with half a brain knows that Lesbian sex is the safest sex possible, this contradicts all what you have been saying. This will imply that heterosexual sex, since it is dangerous, is unnatural.
 

Hist

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and please make me understand how HIV in the US not related to homo sexuality if self-identified homosexuals account for less than 5 percent of the American population while they are the carriers of over 50 percent of HIV/AIDS cases.


tell me the cultural aspect
 

Hist

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Also, you defined as natural as what is safest. Anyone with half a brain knows that Lesbian sex is the safest sex possible, this contradicts all what you have been saying. This will imply that heterosexual sex, since it is dangerous, is unnatural.
I did not say what is natural is what is safest.. where did i say that?
i said Condoms is an artificial invention.. MAN MADE.. Men did not have condoms in their original state.


We define nature completely different. To you nature is anything that exists in the world. Why are we even debating whether homosexuality is natural or not? Under your definition you should ask is it there? i'd say yes.. you'd say then its natural.

I disagree with your definition of nature (and i assume seven also does)

We are debating 2 topics:
(1) whether homosexuality is an Innate sexual activity or an activity performed by choice. (This applies to human beings of any time we know of thats why i am trying to bring back Man to his original state without the aid of technology.)

(2) Whether homosexuality is more risky in terms of health regardless of topic #1's conclusion.


We are using the term natural in the context of an innate act. Is homosexuality an innate activity or an activity performed by choice?
 

Hist

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Let me put this again to make our ideas clear .We are debating 2 topics:
(1) whether homosexuality is an Innate sexual orientation or a lifestyle performed by choice. (This applies to human beings of any time we know of thats why i am trying to bring back Man to his original state without the aid of technology.)

(2) Whether unprotected homosexual sex is more risky -in terms of health- than unprotected heterosexual sex, regardless of topic #1's conclusion.

My opinion:
(1) Homosexuality is an Innate sexual orientation in some cases, however most homosexuals choose to make it their sexual life style.

(2) Unprotected Homosexual activity (especially amongst males) is more risky than unprotected heterosexual activity.

Seven's opinion (as i see it):
(1) Homosexuality is an innate sexual Orientation in all cases of homosexual sex. No one chooses to have homosexual sex unless out of necessity.
(2) Unprotected Homosexual sex is more safe than heterosexual sex.
 

Hist

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I am not lying i did mention what i saw you think.
Can you Please mention your opinion in that ordered and systematic manner?
The same format i used. I want to know exactly what you think.

and please read this (dont let me post it lol):
http://www.ncfamily.org/FNC/0707S3.html
please lets reach a conclusion.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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No, midget. I am not debating this with you. First you get informed on what HIV/AIDS is and how it is transmitted and then you can come back here and we can talk about it.
 

Hist

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wha? STD sexually transmitted disease ? and through blood too.
Lesbians “lesbian women can transmit STDs to each other through skin-to-skin contact, mucosa contact, vaginal fluids, and menstrual blood,” as well as through the sharing of sex toys. Common STDs that can be passed between lesbians include: Bacterial vaginosis (BV); HPV, Trichomoniasis, Herpes; and syphilis.[xliii] BV is more common in lesbian and bisexual women than in heterosexual women."

HIV is a low risk for lesbians... i was mistaken about that.
now continue
 
Jun 13, 2007
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We are using the term natural in the context of an innate act. Is homosexuality an innate activity or an activity performed by choice?
Even in that context you are wrong, because homosexuality is not something that just popped up out of nowhere 5 years ago.

It is an innate activity, you do know some people are just born gay. Meaning they don't get very excited when they see naked people of the opposite sex, but will have an orgasm when they see naked people of the same sex. It is not personal choice, it's biological.
 
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