mjromeo81

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Vestiges of ancient technology that was wiped out in the big flood. Truth is being hidden from us to either protect us or keep us enslaved, most likely the latter. There's no doubt in my mind whoever is in control has access to cross dimensional knowledge, just don't know how the pyramids fit in all of that.
Ah, this one is perhaps where you and I differ. It’s more of a recent revelation of mine: that society believes in an infinite accumulation of knowledge and awareness. We stand on the shoulders of giants. Blah blah blah.

I call b.s. Civilizational knowledge is rather finite. We socially forget as much as learn.

We’ve probably even forgotten more than we know today. How to build pyramids, how to move menhirs. Lost Minoan ceramics and cooking techniques that were recreated centuries later. Celtic Irish culture where at sites like Knowth we knew how to build structures that would withstand and coexist alongside nature for centuries when we can’t even build a phone today that will last 6 years.

The “pyramid puzzle” attempts to reconcile ancient and modern Egyptians - to assuage the cognitive dissonance of “how can these be the same people who built the great pyramids?” - mostly through a linear progression through Greek civilization and enlightenment (not Chinese).

We even forgot how to build the Pantheon with the fall of the Roman Empire and it took 1000 years to find old writings, create concrete, and do something similar with Brunelleschi’s Dome in the Renaissance.

The hippy-eco-friendly Kogi tribe in Colombia worries that we become more disconnected from our ancestral wisdom over time, versus the Western view that we exponentially accumulate knowledge over time. There is truth in both views, but we typically value one over the other.

Call it my theory of cultural displacement: creating space for new knowledge at the loss of what was once superior and contextual to the time. Our talk of constant acceleration presumes the past was slow and nothing happened, when in reality that speed was also the speed of forgetting, losing connection with how the earth works, losing connection with the human experience and the mind.

GPS is teaching us to lose our directional sense. AI is teaching us how writing, even rational thinking, isn’t important. Meanwhile, we struggle to fathom how our species coexisted with Neanderthals.

Unlearning isn't so much a human challenge as it is a human state of being. People need to recognize that we intentionally deprioritize things as a culture and forget them all the time.
 

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Oh, and just laying this here for my Muslim brothers: does it ever make you roll your eyes when some nouveau diet guru tells you all about the great secrets of intermittent fasting and yet they have never heard of iftar?
 

Fab Fragment

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Oh, and just laying this here for my Muslim brothers: does it ever make you roll your eyes when some nouveau diet guru tells you all about the great secrets of intermittent fasting and yet they have never heard of iftar?
Iftar is my favorite time of the day!
BTW , at the local mosque, there is this guy who looks like a photocopy of Spalletti.
Still see kids with Juventus jerseys at the mosque.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Ah, this one is perhaps where you and I differ. It’s more of a recent revelation of mine: that society believes in an infinite accumulation of knowledge and awareness. We stand on the shoulders of giants. Blah blah blah.

I call b.s. Civilizational knowledge is rather finite. We socially forget as much as learn.

We’ve probably even forgotten more than we know today. How to build pyramids, how to move menhirs. Lost Minoan ceramics and cooking techniques that were recreated centuries later. Celtic Irish culture where at sites like Knowth we knew how to build structures that would withstand and coexist alongside nature for centuries when we can’t even build a phone today that will last 6 years.

The “pyramid puzzle” attempts to reconcile ancient and modern Egyptians - to assuage the cognitive dissonance of “how can these be the same people who built the great pyramids?” - mostly through a linear progression through Greek civilization and enlightenment (not Chinese).

We even forgot how to build the Pantheon with the fall of the Roman Empire and it took 1000 years to find old writings, create concrete, and do something similar with Brunelleschi’s Dome in the Renaissance.

The hippy-eco-friendly Kogi tribe in Colombia worries that we become more disconnected from our ancestral wisdom over time, versus the Western view that we exponentially accumulate knowledge over time. There is truth in both views, but we typically value one over the other.

Call it my theory of cultural displacement: creating space for new knowledge at the loss of what was once superior and contextual to the time. Our talk of constant acceleration presumes the past was slow and nothing happened, when in reality that speed was also the speed of forgetting, losing connection with how the earth works, losing connection with the human experience and the mind.

GPS is teaching us to lose our directional sense. AI is teaching us how writing, even rational thinking, isn’t important. Meanwhile, we struggle to fathom how our species coexisted with Neanderthals.

Unlearning isn't so much a human challenge as it is a human state of being. People need to recognize that we intentionally deprioritize things as a culture and forget them all the time.
Fair belief, but whether you like it or not there is esoteric and forbidden knowledge available to a select few. Like I said how that fits with the pyramids I dont know. Also you have not answered the central question: what is the function of the 2 big pyramids?
 
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Fair belief, but whether you like it or not there is esoteric and forbidden knowledge available to a select few. Like I said how that fits with the pyramids I dont know. Also you have not answered the central question: what is the function of the 2 big pyramids?
You should do a deep dive in the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, i'm sure that you will like it. I wouldnt even call it fringe
 
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There’s a documentary on Netflix about it, I forget the name. The guy looks at lost civilizations in the Americas.
That should be Ancient Apocalypse, there are two seasons actually. Haven’t seen the second one but it’s about the Americas.

It’s from Graham Hancock, his story goes a bit further than just the apocalypse (which to my knowledge is almost as far as accepted even in the mainstream), but a transfer of technology leading to Gobekli Tepe. It’s a really fun rabbit hole. The debate is wether there was a advanced (read: people who could build megalithic structures, had astronomy and could navigate the sea by measuring longitude) civilisation before the end of the last ice age. There’s been a ongoing debate with archaeologist who go against it, and on average a few podcasts per year come out where the debate continuous, but it also isn’t that every archeologist is against it btw, there are a few loud voices and probably many people somewhere in the middle.

But going back to Gordo’s post, I’ve also learned that archeology is quite dogmatic, that even among archaeologists there are people being dishonest and they’re also able to ridicule or censor certain narratives. I didn’t know that years ago.
 

ALC

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That should be Ancient Apocalypse, there are two seasons actually. Haven’t seen the second one but it’s about the Americas.

It’s from Graham Hancock, his story goes a bit further than just the apocalypse (which to my knowledge is almost as far as accepted even in the mainstream), but a transfer of technology leading to Gobekli Tepe. It’s a really fun rabbit hole. The debate is wether there was a advanced (read: people who could build megalithic structures, had astronomy and could navigate the sea by measuring longitude) civilisation before the end of the last ice age. There’s been a ongoing debate with archaeologist who go against it, and on average a few podcasts per year come out where the debate continuous, but it also isn’t that every archeologist is against it btw, there are a few loud voices and probably many people somewhere in the middle.

But going back to Gordo’s post, I’ve also learned that archeology is quite dogmatic, that even among archaeologists there are people being dishonest and they’re also able to ridicule or censor certain narratives. I didn’t know that years ago.
In that case, I’ve only seen season 2 then. Very entertaining, i recommend it.
 
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Graham Hancock's theories are most definitely fringe. The series is entertaining but he takes some huge leaps. He's a pseudoscientist and pseudoarchaeologist.
Yeah watch definitely out, don’t take everything at face value.

I don’t agree with the words pseudo btw. He’s neither a scientist or archaeologist, it’s a frame. Same with branding him racist or a white supremacist which happened before.
 

swag

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I practice sawm when I'm asleep.
So eating is like sex for you, amirite? :cool:

Fair belief, but whether you like it or not there is esoteric and forbidden knowledge available to a select few. Like I said how that fits with the pyramids I dont know. Also you have not answered the central question: what is the function of the 2 big pyramids?
If you're suggesting that knowledge is still out in the wild, that fails my Occam's Razor test as much as the old tropes of "We can't explain it, therefore UFO aliens" or "We can't explain it, therefore God".

I could see that the braintrust behind the construction of the pyramids would be limited to a select few in favor of the Pharaoh's court, much in the same way only a select few in the world today know how to build quantum computers. That requires a more limited blast radius to extinguish in popular knowledge for sure, especially when the majority of people are illiterate. All it takes is a quantum computing conference in Tokyo and enough sarin gas on the trains.

So you're absolutely right in that some specialized knowledge is inherently less resilient than others.

If this were real wouldn't there be significant geologic evidence of early humans having had this kind of technology? evidence of advanced tools digging in rock or earth to create similar structures or extract minerals etc?
The rough dates between when the first Egyptian pyramid was built (Pyramid of Djoser) and the complex at Giza was only about one century. Which is a lot of time to innovate over five generations of architects. But we're also talking about something from 4500 years ago, of which a century is a tiny window to have anything survive that long that wasn't designed for a 4500-year shelf-life.

Just think of the Pyramids as ancient Egypt's Intel Corporation of its time.
 
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