What Are You Doing Right Now? (350 Viewers)

[AFL_ITALIA]

I would probably suggest to apply to 10-30 positions a day and constantly polish your resume and interview skills. Id also suggest to expand your search to positions that are peripheral to your ideal fit, for example if your first preference is to land a job as a developer, apply also for sales engineer positions, at the very least it will get you some practice interviews. Best of luck my bro.

It's hard to even find 10-30 relevant positions, but I could go for adjacent as well. I figure without checking whatever boxes they have set I wouldn't even get passed any sort of automated or AI filter.

Thank you

 

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[Lion]

Networking can make a huge difference. Who you know really is as important as what you know when it comes to applying for jobs.

@AFL_ITALIA I will also add that being mobile and open to moving will open a lot of doors for you. Many people not willing to leave their city and you might be missing out on easy to fill positions. One of my old positions I applied for I had zero experience in and was hired because I was willing to relocate to different city and train there

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Calma cariño. You'll get that 200k job soon, you just gotta lie on your CV a little more.

Speaking of this, I had a coworker that was laid off in December. She clearly lied on her resume. Supposedly had all this experience with automated testing, but I never saw one pull request from her the whole time. Constantly needed help with literally everything. I was always an advocate for lying but after that I can't do it, I don't want to get put in that position where I look wildly incompetent.

On LinkedIn she has it that she was a Lead while working, doesn't learn

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And then you see shit like this, the fuck are we supposed to even do anymore?

@.zero

 

[.zero]

Speaking of this, I had a coworker that was laid off in December. She clearly lied on her resume. Supposedly had all this experience with automated testing, but I never saw one pull request from her the whole time. Constantly needed help with literally everything. I was always an advocate for lying but after that I can't do it, I don't want to get put in that position where I look wildly incompetent.

On LinkedIn she has it that she was a Lead while working, doesn't learn

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And then you see shit like this, the fuck are we supposed to even do anymore?

@.zero

Interesting takes. No doubt it’s hard out there for both employers and employees.

I think it’s a matter of perspective. I have yet to see an Engineering org at any firm declare they’ve reduced eng/dev headcount some form of AI has usurped and replaced. Replacing an engineer of any level with any AI come obvious risks - you just give it access to db, DATA, other systems and your code base. Those reasons are major deterrents enough for any firm. Perhaps, instead of hiring jr devs and such, open roles for people who can prompt the fvck out an AI to code for you.

Just my quick 2 pesos

would love to get @swag thoughts

 

[Wings]

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TBF this man has done more sponsorship advertising than jj this season.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Interesting takes. No doubt it’s hard out there for both employers and employees.

I think it’s a matter of perspective. I have yet to see an Engineering org at any firm declare they’ve reduced eng/dev headcount some form of AI has usurped and replaced. Replacing an engineer of any level with any AI come obvious risks - you just give it access to db, DATA, other systems and your code base. Those reasons are major deterrents enough for any firm. Perhaps, instead of hiring jr devs and such, open roles for people who can prompt the fvck out an AI to code for you.

Just my quick 2 pesos

would love to get @swag thoughts

From my limited experience, at the moment generated code is going to have things that are incorrect. It works for simpler things, but whatever is produced is going to have to be read through carefully to make adjustments. It's crazy how many senior dev openings I see vs junior though, I swear has to be like 20 - 1. For sure it's mostly down to economics, but I wouldn't put it passed some of these companies to almost entirely eliminate lower positions as a cost saving measure. My company pushes us to use our AI heavily for example, I can't possibly imagine why. Certainly not to have it learn from and eventually supplant some of us

 

[Wings]

Interesting takes. No doubt it’s hard out there for both employers and employees.

I think it’s a matter of perspective. I have yet to see an Engineering org at any firm declare they’ve reduced eng/dev headcount some form of AI has usurped and replaced. Replacing an engineer of any level with any AI come obvious risks - you just give it access to db, DATA, other systems and your code base. Those reasons are major deterrents enough for any firm. Perhaps, instead of hiring jr devs and such, open roles for people who can prompt the fvck out an AI to code for you.

Just my quick 2 pesos

would love to get @swag thoughts

While playing whack a mole with AI extensions and apps some companies have entered into partnership with the big AI players to have their own customised experience using sandboxes. Company data is not used for training and NDAing shit to kingdom come.

 

[mjromeo81]

"Let AI replace programmers" is the new "Let’s outsource everything to <some country>." Short-term cost savings, long-term disaster.

The management making these decisions have no understanding of the concept of technical debt. Just like financial debt, technical debt accumulates interest over time. As the codebase grows and more features are added, the cost of maintaining and fixing poor code increases - leading to delays, bugs, and system instability.

GenAI is not a trusted advisor. It can be a copilot (pun intended) but it still requires a human holding the steering wheel. GenAI can very easily churn out slop that "looks" right and is syntactically correct, but lets bad data and wrong decisions slip through.

I'm not totally against GenAI. IMO it's good for thought generation and experimentation. Given that it's non-deterministic, randomness helps foster innovation. But for tasks requiring consistent, repeatable outcomes, it's fucking dangerous.

https://www.kalzumeus.com/2011/10/28/dont-call-yourself-a-programmer/

Don't ever call yourself a programmer/developer. "Engineers are hired to create business value, not to program things."

 

[Siamak]

I would probably suggest to apply to 10-30 positions a day and constantly polish your resume and interview skills. Id also suggest to expand your search to positions that are peripheral to your ideal fit, for example if your first preference is to land a job as a developer, apply also for sales engineer positions, at the very least it will get you some practice interviews. Best of luck my bro.

Generally, applying for random positions and sending out a resume without customizing it for each recruitment ad doesn't work. Before submitting a resume, you should consider which specific skills are being focused on in the job description and set your resume accordingly.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Generally, applying for random positions and sending out a resume without customizing it for each recruitment ad doesn't work. Before submitting a resume, you should consider which specific skills are being focused on in the job description and set your resume accordingly.

This was AI generated

 

[Siamak]

It would not surprise me if setting your life up is easier in the UAE, I don’t have any in sight information about the UAE but when it comes to housing and general costs of living, Europe can be quite difficult especially in the big cities. It’s in that regard worse than 10 years ago.

Getting job in Arab Peninsula and countries around persian gulf(not sure about Dubai and Oman ) is easier than EU countries, but they will not give citizenship. The migrants will be in the country on some type of visa which can be revoked at the discretion of the government . I better put in this way, there are foreign workers, not immigrants. They are not granted permanent residency or citizenship.

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@Siamak I say just apply to jobs in the UK. If I, a legal professional from Bolivia, got more than one offer here, I'm sure you can get one even better as someone in IT.

Man, UK has desi vibe, you feel like you live in Islamabad or Mumbai. I am absolutely stunned at the volume of immigrants.
I prefer to go more towards countries like Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Portugal and Belgium.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Getting job in Arab Peninsula and countries around persian gulf(not sure about Dubai and Oman ) is easier than EU countries, but they will not give citizenship. The migrants will be in the country on some type of visa which can be revoked at the discretion of the government . I better put in this way, there are foreign workers, not immigrants. They are not granted permanent residency or citizenship.

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Man, UK has desi vibe, you feel like you live in Islamabad or Mumbai. I am absolutely stunned at the volume of immigrants.
I prefer to go more towards countries like Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Portugal and Belgium.

Dude, you need to stop watching anti Indian/immigration propaganda on social media. There's nowhere near the amount of Indians or other "undesirable immigrants" that is portrayed online.

Lots of bang average blondies here for you.

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@icemaη siamak doesn't like you bro

 

[Siamak]

Dude, you need to stop watching anti Indian/immigration propaganda on social media. There's nowhere near the amount of Indians or other "undesirable immigrants" that is portrayed online.

Lots of bang average blondies here for you.

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@icemaη siamak doesn't like you bro

True bro, to much relying on western medias and they show wrong impression of a country.

 

[ALC]

Dude, you need to stop watching anti Indian/immigration propaganda on social media. There's nowhere near the amount of Indians or other "undesirable immigrants" that is portrayed online.

Lots of bang average blondies here for you.

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@icemaη siamak doesn't like you bro

With all the Indians in England, how come there’s still no good footie players of Indian descent?

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Getting job in Arab Peninsula and countries around persian gulf(not sure about Dubai and Oman ) is easier than EU countries, but they will not give citizenship. The migrants will be in the country on some type of visa which can be revoked at the discretion of the government . I better put in this way, there are foreign workers, not immigrants. They are not granted permanent residency or citizenship.

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Man, UK has desi vibe, you feel like you live in Islamabad or Mumbai. I am absolutely stunned at the volume of immigrants.
I prefer to go more towards countries like Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Portugal and Belgium.

Parts of Germany look more like Turkey than western Europe btw

 

[Siamak]

With all the Indians in England, how come there’s still no good footie players of Indian descent?

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Parts of Germany look more like Turkey than western Europe btw

All I know Germans are the most reliable, disciplined, on time and well organized , and hard working. In my region Germans are stereotypically known hard working and intelligent. I read somewhere(hard to remember where exactly i read that, I randomly read a lot of articles on genetic, history, geography, IT and etc) that North Italians have German descendancy.

 

[IliveForJuve]

With all the Indians in England, how come there’s still no good footie players of Indian descent?

Cause they're lawyers, doctors and engineers.

The remaining ones are too smelly to be in the locker room or they play cricket.

Jokes aside. Went to this gig recently and wanted to puke whenever this Indian dude raised his arms. Can't even imagine the smell if he wasn't wearing a hoodie. His whole Indian group smelled like a mix of bad armpit smell and deodorant, which is worse than just armpit smell imo. It was killing my 2CB trip lol.

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All I know Germans are the most reliable, disciplined, on time and well organized , and hard working. In my region Germans are stereotypically known hard working and intelligent. I read somewhere(hard to remember where exactly i read that, I randomly read a lot of articles on genetic, history, geography, IT and etc) that North Italians have German descendancy.

Germans are autistic bro. Gimme lazy southern Europeans all day.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

My team's PO just resigned, we'll be having our 5th now in like the past year. Fucking kill me @Bjerknes

 

[Bjerknes]

My team's PO just resigned, we'll be having our 5th now in like the past year. Fucking kill me @Bjerknes

Damn, it must be really bad there. Why so much turnover for that role specifically?

I really can’t complain, I have a pretty good team and leadership that seemingly cares.

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Interesting takes. No doubt it’s hard out there for both employers and employees.

I think it’s a matter of perspective. I have yet to see an Engineering org at any firm declare they’ve reduced eng/dev headcount some form of AI has usurped and replaced. Replacing an engineer of any level with any AI come obvious risks - you just give it access to db, DATA, other systems and your code base. Those reasons are major deterrents enough for any firm. Perhaps, instead of hiring jr devs and such, open roles for people who can prompt the fvck out an AI to code for you.

Just my quick 2 pesos

would love to get @swag thoughts

My team and I had a similar conversation this week. AI models are only as good as the data and the people that run it. Once everyone is consumed with AI, people are going to be begging for human to human interaction again. We are going to be using AWS for our AI ventures and there will be plenty of work to go around. I’m not worried, at least yet.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Damn, it must be really bad there. Why so much turnover for that role specifically?

I really can’t complain, I have a pretty good team and leadership that seemingly cares.

To start, the head PO of the project is a dickhead, and dealing directly with him has to suck tremendously.

On top of that, the culture of the company itself is retarded. The impossible deadlines and rush to push out broken software results in overloaded sprints where everyone has to kill themselves to push things over the finish line. Most people, myself included, are paid below market rate so that plays into it as well. It's just really draining. It's hard to force yourself to care about making rich people more money at some point after considering the above.

 

[swag]

Interesting takes. No doubt it’s hard out there for both employers and employees.

I think it’s a matter of perspective. I have yet to see an Engineering org at any firm declare they’ve reduced eng/dev headcount some form of AI has usurped and replaced. Replacing an engineer of any level with any AI come obvious risks - you just give it access to db, DATA, other systems and your code base. Those reasons are major deterrents enough for any firm. Perhaps, instead of hiring jr devs and such, open roles for people who can prompt the fvck out an AI to code for you.

Just my quick 2 pesos

would love to get @swag thoughts

I am definitely seeing a pattern where tech cos are in their post-growth stages and paring back tech hires. It's not Covid so much as moat-defending bureaucratic bloat in Big Tech: people are playing more defense than offense these days, to be honest.

And the idea that AI is replacing software developers is indirectly true, but not directly true. Companies are shelling out millions for Ai infrastructure and services, not wanting to have their CEOs fired for not investing in that now. And this is AI that hasn't proven its business value yet, and CFOs are managing their P&Ls by cutting operational staff to fund it. With a back justification and finger-crossing hope that they won't need as many developers in the future.

I'm more in the school to believe that a lot of the skills of low- and mid-level engineers are going to be commodified. But gen AI isn't reliable and still needs to be audited, validated, tested, etc. More senior engineers will likely see their value-added skills actually increase for that 60% of their job that isn't mindless coding.

But let's be clear here: a software engineer should really be spending only about 30-40% of their time doing actual coding. It mostly should be spent in requirements clarification, design, project planning and estimation, and coordination with data, QA, product, marketing, and everybody else. None of that is getting automated by AI anytime soon.

And senior engineers are always doing crazy crap like creating new frameworks, adopting new languages, optimizing core services. These are all the things there isn't much data for you can find in a StackOverflow dump. So senior engineers would be smart to be careful about what they publicly share on github and on forums, for example, because AIs will train off of that.

There's a lot of hubris out there, and investors hate FOMO. So get your umbrellas and expect the storm of b.s. to continue for a bit until a few smart companies realized they overindexed on a dev-less future with all their hopes pinned on AI magic. Inflation is still high and businesses will see erosion in their profits, which will make them need to competitively invest in growth and new ideas again on the offensive in smaller measures.