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@Post Ironic damn bro. I didn't know the wokeism situation was that bad in Canada.

You know it's bad bad when mainstream media makes a documentary on it.

Wokeism is more about self hate than woke people realise. Sad that so many people with mental problems will fall for this, you really see the vacuum effect.

I also find it crazy that apparently is all about acceptance, until you have an opposite opinion.
 

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IliveForJuve

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Wokeism is more about self hate than woke people realise. Sad that so many people with mental problems will fall for this, you really see the vacuum effect.

I also find it crazy that apparently is all about acceptance, until you have an opposite opinion.
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate." ~ Noam Chomsky
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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@Post Ironic damn bro. I didn't know the wokeism situation was that bad in Canada.
'Wokeism' is a non-issue.

The entire debate is engineered to distract people from serious issues like climate change, migration, unemployment, education or health care.

I'm sure there are transgenders who are offended whenever a restaurant does not have a unisex bathroom or they are misgendered as female, even if they're wearing a skirt and lipstick at that moment. These are people who specialize in being offended. If it wasn't this, it would be something else. And some parties use these wankers to avoid all serious debate, because they allow them to paint everyone with the same brush.

But the vast majority of the people who are now being cast aside as woke have no unreasonable demands. They want basic rights that should be guaranteed in any developed country. 'Woke' is just a trap invented by greedy motherfuckers.
 

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'Wokeism' is a non-issue.

The entire debate is engineered to distract people from serious issues like climate change, migration, unemployment, education or health care.

I'm sure there are transgenders who are offended whenever a restaurant does not have a unisex bathroom or they are misgendered as female, even if they're wearing a skirt and lipstick at that moment. These are people who specialize in being offended. If it wasn't this, it would be something else. And some parties use these wankers to avoid all serious debate, because they allow them to paint everyone with the same brush.

But the vast majority of the people who are now being cast aside as woke have no unreasonable demands. They want basic rights that should be guaranteed in any developed country. 'Woke' is just a trap invented by greedy motherfuckers.


This is akin to being in a bar in russia in 1904 and saying communism is a non-issue, i mean after all it's just trying to get some help for the downtrodden.

What you fail to consider is the end of it all: more govt control and less personal freedom. Anything woke requires you to change the way you act, live, travel, spend money to pursue some silly idealistic notions of equity and save the world childishness.
 

Seven

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This is akin to being in a bar in russia in 1904 and saying communism is a non-issue, i mean after all it's just trying to get some help for the downtrodden.

What you fail to consider is the end of it all: more govt control and less personal freedom. Anything woke requires you to change the way you act, live, travel, spend money to pursue some silly idealistic notions of equity and save the world childishness.

What you consider woke has had zero impact on government decisions or law making so far. Zero.

It's a term almost used exclusively by right wing politicians trying to distract others from the disasters they create.
 

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What you consider woke has had zero impact on government decisions or law making so far. Zero.

It's a term almost used exclusively by right wing politicians trying to distract others from the disasters they create.
Childish Gambino using the phrase “stay woke” in the chorus of his 2016 song Redbone.
 

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This is akin to being in a bar in russia in 1904 and saying communism is a non-issue, i mean after all it's just trying to get some help for the downtrodden.

What you fail to consider is the end of it all: more govt control and less personal freedom. Anything woke requires you to change the way you act, live, travel, spend money to pursue some silly idealistic notions of equity and save the world childishness.
to be fair their isn’t a single social or governmental movement that isn’t based on some for of control
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Can anybody actually define what “woke” is at this point? It just seems like the catch all adjective for whatever the right hates now. Like giving black people the right to vote was “woke” back in the day.

And by the way, if handing over more control to the government is “woke”, then DeSantis is one woke motherfucker.
 

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to be fair their isn’t a single social or governmental movement that isn’t based on some for of control

I agree 100%


Funny sidenote today, i have this rental property and this young couple wanted to get it, as we sat down to iron out the contract, the dude was all chill and reasonable and his girlfriend kept interjecting with nonsense. After about 5 minutes of that i get up and tell the guy to follow me to the kitchen while i leave her with "i think I'll be finishing up this convo with the man of the house "dude had the biggest smile :D
 

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Can anybody actually define what “woke” is at this point? It just seems like the catch all adjective for whatever the right hates now. Like giving black people the right to vote was “woke” back in the day.

And by the way, if handing over more control to the government is “woke”, then DeSantis is one woke motherfucker.
Umbrella term for individuals who are engrossed by social justice and think of themselves as saviors with a moral high ground, but remain willfully ignorant to the irrationality of their claims and the problems they create. These individuals give special treatment to certain minorities in hopes of ending racism and perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm, though ironically being the most intolerant and hypocritical people on the planet.

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Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Umbrella term for individuals who are engrossed by social justice and thinks of themselves as saviors with a moral high ground, but remain willfully ignorant to the irrationality of their claims and the problems they create. These individuals give special treatment to certain minorities in hopes of ending racism and perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm, though ironically being the most intolerant and hypocritical people on the planet.

UB
Using a bathroom and drinking clean water is woke.
 

IliveForJuve

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Using a bathroom and drinking clean water is woke.
Hmm no?

Although, it is true that woke fags and redpillers are different sides of the same coin. Way too many people these days want truth poured into their brains, but that is something you have to find out for yourself (i.e. critical thinking and awareness of multiple converging truths - @swag).

It's just dogmatism really.
 
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Knowah

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Can anybody actually define what “woke” is at this point? It just seems like the catch all adjective for whatever the right hates now. Like giving black people the right to vote was “woke” back in the day.

And by the way, if handing over more control to the government is “woke”, then DeSantis is one woke motherfucker.
I think your use of the word "actually" is kind of telling.

I'm sure any inability to give a simple definition that works for some people "actually" has a lot to do with the complexity that it is probably attempting to summarize. Also, the term is used colloquially by many different people to mean many different things. This is normal when a term that never really had an ACTUAL definition in the first place becomes more mainstream in a language.

There are varying definitions of woke because many of the things deemed "woke" have had the term applied to them because what started as basic liberal tenants have been perceived to be pushed to the extreme even to classic liberals. To try and nail down each direction that progressivism has ran at lightning speed into extremism and collect all of that into one ACTUAL definition would create such a massive amalgamation of so many ideas and stances that it would render that singular ACTUAL definition pointless or too broad.

It's like asking what it means to be an ACTUAL Italian or an ACTUAL American or an ACTUAL European. For some things, it means something and for others it means something different. But using that as some sort of "gotcha" seems like an attempt to just dismiss the position because you haven't had a definition yet that you like from your biased position counter to it. And that's completely normal. It serves you and your worldview to view the term "woke" as a "rightwing" thing so that you can quickly and casually dismiss it until an ACTUAL definition that works for you arrives. The problem that high bar creates is that for a definition to register as ACTUAL for you, you'd basically need to become "rightwing" to lend it that credibility.

If you're response is simply "well give me a cookie cutter definition that I like or you lose" then you're really just setting up a high bar that only works for you and its probably unobtainable for anybody discussing it with you. Many people have given definitions of THEIR perception of what the word woke means. To act like nobody has "actually" defined woke seems like an unrealistic and unfair high bar for somebody to achieve. Basically they must define the word to the point it is ACTUALLY fits in your mind and then at that point you'd yourself become a "Nazi." But here's one definition that works for a classic liberal like myself. It's not THE definition but it's one that has some truth to it.

"Woke is a collection of ideas not building on liberalism but very often undoing them. Five years ago, Abraham Lincoln was not a controversal figure to liberals. We liked him. Now they take down his schools and tear down his statues. Really, Lincoln isn't good enough for you? Um, you know five-to-ten years ago, bedrock liberalism was we strive to be a colorblind society where we don't see race. Of course, we see it but it doesn't matter. That's not what woke is. It's that we see color and race all the time, it's always the most important thing."

Bill Maher, known super conservative right-winger.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,912
I think your use of the word "actually" is kind of telling.

I'm sure any inability to give a simple definition that works for some people "actually" has a lot to do with the complexity that it is probably attempting to summarize. Also, the term is used colloquially by many different people to mean many different things. This is normal when a term that never really had an ACTUAL definition in the first place becomes more mainstream in a language.

There are varying definitions of woke because many of the things deemed "woke" have had the term applied to them because what started as basic liberal tenants have been perceived to be pushed to the extreme even to classic liberals. To try and nail down each direction that progressivism has ran at lightning speed into extremism and collect all of that into one ACTUAL definition would create such a massive amalgamation of so many ideas and stances that it would render that singular ACTUAL definition pointless or too broad.

It's like asking what it means to be an ACTUAL Italian or an ACTUAL American or an ACTUAL European. For some things, it means something and for others it means something different. But using that as some sort of "gotcha" seems like an attempt to just dismiss the position because you haven't had a definition yet that you like from your biased position counter to it. And that's completely normal. It serves you and your worldview to view the term "woke" as a "rightwing" thing so that you can quickly and casually dismiss it until an ACTUAL definition that works for you arrives. The problem that high bar creates is that for a definition to register as ACTUAL for you, you'd basically need to become "rightwing" to lend it that credibility.

If you're response is simply "well give me a cookie cutter definition that I like or you lose" then you're really just setting up a high bar that only works for you and its probably unobtainable for anybody discussing it with you. Many people have given definitions of THEIR perception of what the word woke means. To act like nobody has "actually" defined woke seems like an unrealistic and unfair high bar for somebody to achieve. Basically they must define the word to the point it is ACTUALLY fits in your mind and then at that point you'd yourself become a "Nazi." But here's one definition that works for a classic liberal like myself. It's not THE definition but it's one that has some truth to it.

"Woke is a collection of ideas not building on liberalism but very often undoing them. Five years ago, Abraham Lincoln was not a controversal figure to liberals. We liked him. Now they take down his schools and tear down his statues. Really, Lincoln isn't good enough for you? Um, you know five-to-ten years ago, bedrock liberalism was we strive to be a colorblind society where we don't see race. Of course, we see it but it doesn't matter. That's not what woke is. It's that we see color and race all the time, it's always the most important thing."

Bill Maher, known super conservative right-winger.
If anybody can make up their own definition of “woke”, then what value does the terminology have?

My take on the current usage of the term - it’s a cheap way for politicians to conflate normal issues that deserve debate with things that do not. That way we don’t have to debate anything at all since it’s all “woke.” All it does is serve as distraction and discourages actual discourse about meaningful things. My neighbor ran his city council campaign on “no woke politicians” and ended up losing big time because nobody knows what the fuck that even is.

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If you have to ascertain someone’s race, religion, background, or anything else just to understand a single word that is so commonly used, that’s just not a good use of language IMO.
 

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I think your use of the word "actually" is kind of telling.

I'm sure any inability to give a simple definition that works for some people "actually" has a lot to do with the complexity that it is probably attempting to summarize. Also, the term is used colloquially by many different people to mean many different things. This is normal when a term that never really had an ACTUAL definition in the first place becomes more mainstream in a language.

There are varying definitions of woke because many of the things deemed "woke" have had the term applied to them because what started as basic liberal tenants have been perceived to be pushed to the extreme even to classic liberals. To try and nail down each direction that progressivism has ran at lightning speed into extremism and collect all of that into one ACTUAL definition would create such a massive amalgamation of so many ideas and stances that it would render that singular ACTUAL definition pointless or too broad.

It's like asking what it means to be an ACTUAL Italian or an ACTUAL American or an ACTUAL European. For some things, it means something and for others it means something different. But using that as some sort of "gotcha" seems like an attempt to just dismiss the position because you haven't had a definition yet that you like from your biased position counter to it. And that's completely normal. It serves you and your worldview to view the term "woke" as a "rightwing" thing so that you can quickly and casually dismiss it until an ACTUAL definition that works for you arrives. The problem that high bar creates is that for a definition to register as ACTUAL for you, you'd basically need to become "rightwing" to lend it that credibility.

If you're response is simply "well give me a cookie cutter definition that I like or you lose" then you're really just setting up a high bar that only works for you and its probably unobtainable for anybody discussing it with you. Many people have given definitions of THEIR perception of what the word woke means. To act like nobody has "actually" defined woke seems like an unrealistic and unfair high bar for somebody to achieve. Basically they must define the word to the point it is ACTUALLY fits in your mind and then at that point you'd yourself become a "Nazi." But here's one definition that works for a classic liberal like myself. It's not THE definition but it's one that has some truth to it.

"Woke is a collection of ideas not building on liberalism but very often undoing them. Five years ago, Abraham Lincoln was not a controversal figure to liberals. We liked him. Now they take down his schools and tear down his statues. Really, Lincoln isn't good enough for you? Um, you know five-to-ten years ago, bedrock liberalism was we strive to be a colorblind society where we don't see race. Of course, we see it but it doesn't matter. That's not what woke is. It's that we see color and race all the time, it's always the most important thing."

Bill Maher, known super conservative right-winger.
word of the day: etymology
 

Seven

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Grade 1 teacher who said boys and girls no different in 'gender fluidity' lesson cleared by rights tribunal

https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...er-fluidity-lesson-cleared-by-rights-tribunal

Lol why the fuck are first graders learning this shit?

Weren't you a lawyer yourself?

The Court never addressed whether or not it was appropriate. It said there was no proof of harm in the individual case and added: "It is clear that what (the girl’s) parents are seeking was not a clarification or correction for their daughter, but systemic changes to the school board’s policy and to an educational system that in their opinion should not allow such concepts as ‘gender fluidity’ to be addressed in the classroom.” .

People act as if the Court approved of the material, but this is not the case at all.

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Umbrella term for individuals who are engrossed by social justice and think of themselves as saviors with a moral high ground, but remain willfully ignorant to the irrationality of their claims and the problems they create. These individuals give special treatment to certain minorities in hopes of ending racism and perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm, though ironically being the most intolerant and hypocritical people on the planet.

UD
That is not how it is used by the right.

I am far from a social justice warrior and I think I am often critical of the LGBTQ+ movement in particular. The way they hijacked the debate surrounding the Qatar World Cup was utterly disgusting.

But the right uses 'woke' to avoid talking about serious and pressing issues. They dangle 'wokeness' in front of their audience and scare them into believing their children might be taught about gender fluidity in school. Or the nightmare of having mixed gender bathrooms, imagine that. That way they don't have to talk about the fact Americans can't even afford fucking insulin.

I see the same dynamic happening around Europe by the way. Right wing parties label everything they dislike woke.
 
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Woke bogeyman nonsense? That’s what you all have been up to the past few days?

Culture wars are a deliberate distraction from the things that matter. Just like “viral” anything is an attention grab and distracting from things that last and matter.

What a strange soup this has all become though. Trudeau showing his paper-thin veneer of a personality or thoughtful life by deciding to purchase a prêt-à-porter identity off the rack at Reitmans. Give the guy a dermabrasion and you will find there’s nothing underneath.

And the male and/or white saviors who defend their privilege while speaking to their shallow woke virtues. They’re no better shopping for the same public persona off the rack, manufactured by slave labor in Bangladesh. Why develop your own substance and substantial life when you can just wear a prefab one that gets you into the right social clubs you always wanted to belong to?

And the always-aggrieved woke-spewers who seek every possible excuse for why they are too lazy and unmotivated to define their own lives and confront their own failures. So much easier to blame everyone else and sell hairshirts to the gullible and vapid buying off the rack.

And then the all-is-woke, woe-is-me dancers who empower all this nonsense by treating the insane, trivial and vapid with the seriousness of World War III. Lacking their own substance, the best they can do is boycott Reitmans for selling the woke skin suit and manufacture their own anti-woke skin suits for sale at Walmart.

These are clown times in a clown world. The only sane and smart folks are on the sidelines, amplifying the absurdity to sell same-day-delivery skin suits to every influenced buyer. They’re the weapons dealers selling to both the Russians and Ukrainians, knowing that someone may as well profit from all this shallow stupidity.
 
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