Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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The problem with alcohol is the ubiquity and super normalization of its (ab)use. I'm sure the friend is getting their k treatment under doctor supervision, it's not sold at 7-11.
Agreed, it's everywhere. I mean, they literally sell it in gas stations over here. That is so weird when you think about it.

And maybe Greg is right and there are more warnings in the US. But in Europe it's pretty much limited to saying it's dangerous to be drunk. Debate about the many other health issues caused by alcohol are inexistant.

I'm all for responsible drinking, because I do love an occasional beer. But it's pretty obvious our alcohol consumption has to go way down.

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IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
18,959
Health effects aside. Alcohol is for the weak, I've been being weak these past few months because I've been needing liquid courage to let loose/socialise but those days are over.

Best nights out I had were a few years ago when I was sober for a whole year. Dominating social interactions sober > being controlled by alcohol.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
71,042
Agreed, it's everywhere. I mean, they literally sell it in gas stations over here. That is so weird when you think about it.

And maybe Greg is right and there are more warnings in the US. But in Europe it's pretty much limited to saying it's dangerous to be drunk. Debate about the many other health issues caused by alcohol are inexistant.

I'm all for responsible drinking, because I do love an occasional beer. But it's pretty obvious our alcohol consumption has to go way down.

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I ran into a friend at the supermarket, and the dude parties all the time, so i asked him "i know it's indiscrete of me to ask, but about how much would you say you spend on booze/partying monthly" and he replied "about 6000 dollars". Then i asked him a very simple question "what is it you are looking for?". See a lot of people who abuse this shit dont want to put in the time and effort to fill these holes that make them run towards alcohol. This guy could feel so much better investing a tenth of what he spends in partying on a good doctor and a good nutritionist and moving his ass a bit.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,948
I ran into a friend at the supermarket, and the dude parties all the time, so i asked him "i know it's indiscrete of me to ask, but about how much would you say you spend on booze/partying monthly" and he replied "about 6000 dollars". Then i asked him a very simple question "what is it you are looking for?". See a lot of people who abuse this shit dont want to put in the time and effort to fill these holes that make them run towards alcohol. This guy could feel so much better investing a tenth of what he spends in partying on a good doctor and a good nutritionist and moving his ass a bit.
Sounds like you could replace alcohol with food. I.e. the problem is the consumer
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
32,010
I ran into a friend at the supermarket, and the dude parties all the time, so i asked him "i know it's indiscrete of me to ask, but about how much would you say you spend on booze/partying monthly" and he replied "about 6000 dollars". Then i asked him a very simple question "what is it you are looking for?". See a lot of people who abuse this shit dont want to put in the time and effort to fill these holes that make them run towards alcohol. This guy could feel so much better investing a tenth of what he spends in partying on a good doctor and a good nutritionist and moving his ass a bit.
What does he do that he's pulling in money like this? :shifty:
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,926
The problem with alcohol is the ubiquity and super normalization of its (ab)use. I'm sure the friend is getting their k treatment under doctor supervision, it's not sold at 7-11.
It is ubiquitous. Advertising is everywhere (hello, dry World Cup), with always a disclaimer at the end about drinking responsibly.

I do think attitudes are changing though. Younger people are drinking less and going for non-alc drinks.

But we also normalize marijuana use, gambling, sex, etc. Pick your vice.

Health effects aside. Alcohol is for the weak, I've been being weak these past few months because I've been needing liquid courage to let loose/socialise but those days are over.

Best nights out I had were a few years ago when I was sober for a whole year. Dominating social interactions sober > being controlled by alcohol.
I like a good wine. It's not to get blotto by any means. It adds to the enjoyment of my meal, typically complimenting it, rather than sucking down more water.

And once in a while, a nice grappa as a digestivo at the end of a meal is a ritual many digestive-obsessed Italians follow that I can get into.

Have I done too much on occasion? Yes... though it's been years. Mostly too much of a good thing. (I was an expensive drunk ... if someone opens a DRC, I ain't spitting.) And I hate the afterwards when I have, so it's moderation all the way, baby. Screw social courage or losing your senses. I have no interest in that.

You know I'm also a coffee fan too. And there was a time I thought that the decaf drinkers were the purists and true coffee lovers because they weren't drinking it for some chemical fix. (Caffeine being another minor vice in culture.)

But I changed my mind when I realized that the chemical makeup of coffee is altered. Decaf coffee is still fine, but it's not quite the same. You're missing chemical compounds and flavor elements. You cannot remove the caffeine from coffee anymore than you can remove the alcohol from wine or the pain from love. So the non-alcoholic wine doesn't do it for me.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
18,959
It is ubiquitous. Advertising is everywhere (hello, dry World Cup), with always a disclaimer at the end about drinking responsibly.

I do think attitudes are changing though. Younger people are drinking less and going for non-alc drinks.

But we also normalize marijuana use, gambling, sex, etc. Pick your vice.



I like a good wine. It's not to get blotto by any means. It adds to the enjoyment of my meal, typically complimenting it, rather than sucking down more water.

And once in a while, a nice grappa as a digestivo at the end of a meal is a ritual many digestive-obsessed Italians follow that I can get into.

Have I done too much on occasion? Yes... though it's been years. Mostly too much of a good thing. (I was an expensive drunk ... if someone opens a DRC, I ain't spitting.) And I hate the afterwards when I have, so it's moderation all the way, baby. Screw social courage or losing your senses. I have no interest in that.

You know I'm also a coffee fan too. And there was a time I thought that the decaf drinkers were the purists and true coffee lovers because they weren't drinking it for some chemical fix. (Caffeine being another minor vice in culture.)

But I changed my mind when I realized that the chemical makeup of coffee is altered. Decaf coffee is still fine, but it's not quite the same. You're missing chemical compounds and flavor elements. You cannot remove the caffeine from coffee anymore than you can remove the alcohol from wine or the pain from love. So the non-alcoholic wine doesn't do it for me.
Sounds like you have a problem, man. You should see a therapist to fix your alcohol and caffeine addiction.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
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Seems like a lot of younger people here are so influenced by social media and the inane reality tv shows that they are more likely to be in the gym trying to look like a dude from Love Island, when they ordinarily would have been out getting pissed and ending up in a gutter at 3am.
 

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