Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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60 Minutes is airing a piece on "Sports Washing", which highlights how the Saudis are throwing endless pits of money towards footballers, golfers, wrestlers, etc to white wash all the human rights abuse. Apparently, political repression has just gotten worse, all the while Bruno Mars and DJ Khalid are making bank from it all, among other "stars". Good journalism, really exposes these fucking sellout cunts. @Ronn

Mass beheading of 81 people in one day last year. The one emir clown reminds me of the brother from Syriana.
 

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AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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60 Minutes is airing a piece on "Sports Washing", which highlights how the Saudis are throwing endless pits of money towards footballers, golfers, wrestlers, etc to white wash all the human rights abuse. Apparently, political repression has just gotten worse, all the while Bruno Mars and DJ Khalid are making bank from it all, among other "stars". Good journalism, really exposes these fucking sellout cunts. @Ronn

Mass beheading of 81 people in one day last year. The one emir clown reminds me of the brother from Syriana.
But if they were white then you wouldn't care, or something :disagree:
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,331
How do people still drink loads in the 30s? I have 3 drinks and the hangovers kill me the next day.

It's time to retire from the drinking game.
Honestly I just don't. I've noticed my tolerance for it has gone way down. Like you mention, 3 drinks is enough to have a hangover. These days I don't drink at all most weeks.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,331
I've had maybe 4 the whole year? Alcohol was always wildly overrated and far too accepted to consume excessively in western culture imo.
I have the feeling we're at a tipping point. I don't know many teetotallers. But I know a lot of people who have started to drink considerably less. Part of that is getting older of course, but our cultural response towards alcohol seems to be changing as well. It's just not as acceptable to get hammered as it once was.
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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I have the feeling we're at a tipping point. I don't know many teetotallers. But I know a lot of people who have started to drink considerably less. Part of that is getting older of course, but our cultural response towards alcohol seems to be changing as well. It's just not as acceptable to get hammered as it once was.
I hope so, personally I think this is a great thing and an overall net positive for society. From what I've read, younger generations also drink a lot less on average than older ones as well.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,331
Alcohol is evil. Porn is evil. Weakness for or tolerance of either of em doesn't change that fact.
It doesn't change the inherent nature of these products. Evil is a strong word and it implies moral qualities. Alcohol doesn't have any moral. It's just a product. But a real case could be made to get rid of it for the good of society.

We pretend these things are fine, because only a minority of people face difficulties using these products.

Well, for starters it seems that fairly minimal use of alcohol puts you at a bigger risk for developing cancer. So maybe a safe threshold doesn't exist.

And then we say those people who abuse these products or weak. As if they lack the willpower to use them sensibly. But we know some people are biologically more susceptible to developing addiction. It's pretty easy to describe someone as weak, when it might be 10x more difficult for that person for biological reasons to refrain from alcohol than it is for me.

And even if there is an element of willpower, does it matter? I mean, it's still a strain on our healthcare system. A drunk driver might still kill you or your kid. Yeah, you could blame him and his weak character. But it doesn't mean these things don't happen anymore. They still do. So maybe it's just for the good of everyone to get rid of it.
 

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Apr 14, 2005
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It doesn't change the inherent nature of these products. Evil is a strong word and it implies moral qualities. Alcohol doesn't have any moral. It's just a product. But a real case could be made to get rid of it for the good of society.

We pretend these things are fine, because only a minority of people face difficulties using these products.

Well, for starters it seems that fairly minimal use of alcohol puts you at a bigger risk for developing cancer. So maybe a safe threshold doesn't exist.

And then we say those people who abuse these products or weak. As if they lack the willpower to use them sensibly. But we know some people are biologically more susceptible to developing addiction. It's pretty easy to describe someone as weak, when it might be 10x more difficult for that person for biological reasons to refrain from alcohol than it is for me.

And even if there is an element of willpower, does it matter? I mean, it's still a strain on our healthcare system. A drunk driver might still kill you or your kid. Yeah, you could blame him and his weak character. But it doesn't mean these things don't happen anymore. They still do. So maybe it's just for the good of everyone to get rid of it.
It is evil because how its qualities. And yes it's a very difficult thing to legislate, that's why i don't think it's should be. But like @AFL_ITALIA said, we have way overnormalized it. I think we should malign it and shame those who indulge.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,331
It is evil because how its qualities. And yes it's a very difficult thing to legislate, that's why i don't think it's should be. But like @AFL_ITALIA said, we have way overnormalized it. I think we should malign it and shame those who indulge.
I don't know about shaming people. Generally I'm not a fan of that kind of pressure.

But I do like that doctors are speaking out about alcohol.
 
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I don't know about shaming people. Generally I'm not a fan of that kind of pressure.

But I do like that doctors are speaking out about alcohol.
I learned about ‘body positivity’ just recently, those social media influencers saying that it’s okay to be fat and stuff, while digesting a bunch of shit.

Since I learned about them I’m for fat shaming.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,331
I learned about ‘body positivity’ just recently, those social media influencers saying that it’s okay to be fat and stuff, while digesting a bunch of shit.

Since I learned about them I’m for fat shaming.

It is insane when obese people rely on 'body positivity' to try to continue unhealthy behaviour.

But that doesn't mean I have to point at them and ridicule them.
 

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