Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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Wait the Christians stole Christmas from Pagans? lol
That been common knowledge for ages? (American education lol) Just adapted it to Christian branding because the converted pagans loved the shit of their winter solstice Yule celebrations.



The Swedish name for Christmas is even Jul or juletid. Its original pagan name lol.



Easter time is more the proper Christian holiday. Christmas really has nothing to do with the religious elements, just pure festivity adapted for the sake of having a continuation of old traditions.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I’m tired of people not giving Harvey Weinstein the credit he deserves
Pulp Fiction was really a religious allegory where Jules is a combination of Judas and Jesus, and shifts from one to the other.

He walks the earth, and then dies for our sins …. But only in Samuel L Jackson’s following movie, Fluke, from 1995. In which he is shot to death as a dog (Rumbo) by Ron Perlman but comes back to life via reincarnation as a squirrel.

Now who doesn’t know dat??
 

lgorTudor

Senior Member
Jan 15, 2015
32,951
Pulp Fiction was really a religious allegory where Jules is a combination of Judas and Jesus, and shifts from one to the other.

He walks the earth, and then dies for our sins …. But only in Samuel L Jackson’s following movie, Fluke, from 1995. In which he is shot to death as a dog (Rumbo) by Ron Perlman but comes back to life via reincarnation as a squirrel.

Now who doesn’t know dat??
You're overthinking.....Quentin just wanted to sniff Uma's feet

This is also why he put her in a coffin in Kill Bill and wouldn't let her shower afterwards, said it was for authenticity
 

Jäger

Senior Member
May 2, 2021
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That been common knowledge for ages? (American education lol) Just adapted it to Christian branding because the converted pagans loved the shit of their winter solstice Yule celebrations.



The Swedish name for Christmas is even Jul or juletid. Its original pagan name lol.



Easter time is more the proper Christian holiday. Christmas really has nothing to do with the religious elements, just pure festivity adapted for the sake of having a continuation of old traditions.
No it isnt lol. The entire claim is nonsensical to begin with. Even If they picked a day which was around the time people were used to celebrating, doesn't mean it is "the same" celebration.
It's usually the same folk who say that "christians stole saturnelia" who also say that we should say "happy holidays" to be more inclusive of other religious feasts that occur within the same time period, ironically enough.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,484
No it isnt lol. The entire claim is nonsensical to begin with. Even If they picked a day which was around the time people were used to celebrating, doesn't mean it is "the same" celebration.
It's usually the same folk who say that "christians stole saturnelia" who also say that we should say "happy holidays" to be more inclusive of other religious feasts that occur within the same time period, ironically enough.

I allways find happy holidays or the over corrections to appease other holidays that are irrelevant to those communities to be bizzare and weird. No one celebrating Hanukkah, Kwanza (so miniscule), is ever really offended by merry Christmas. And I would say the same if Ramadan was on same exact time as Christmas.



So dont try to put on silly point of views I didnt express on to me. But its a historical fact that on the core Christmas has little to nothing to do with Christianity. It got adopted around the religion because it became the dominant religion, but the traditions, the mysticism and mythology of the feast itself ALL predate Christianity.


Humans aren't that complicated, like everything else they borrow and re shape their traditions. Its not the same celebration, but its super obvious to acknowledge the origins. Christmas has fully evolved from pagan feasts, down to date and customs . Wether its saturnalia that has very little in common with current Christmas traditions (except the date itself, 25th) , or the more closely resemblances of North European pagan winter solstice traditions that Xmas literally borrowed from, from customs down to the actual name of the holiday in many of these countries (im not kidding, Swedens name for Xmas is same as the pagan holiday), down to the very myth of Santa Claus, or later Father Christmas, who you hardly can call a Christian entity, but simply a reshaped old tales, a cocktail of many versions of magical gift giver in pagan times.


To make it clearer. There is not a single mention of Christmas in the bible, not a single one.


It simply a tradition that was born of needed and clever pragmatics in earliest Church days. Emperor Constantine was smart enough to know that you convert or beat pagan religions not by force alone, but by directly taking their traditions away. So he gave his new converts a rebranding of something they are familiar with. And it evolved from there for centuries.


The church at the time said its the birth of christ, even tho no one knows (there's no fact about his birth year let alone month or day) to nail the tradition down, and its a wonderful and beautiful thing to celebrate with family for sure. But at its very core, there's nothing truly Christian or relating to Christianity with Christmas. Atleast when it comes to the mainstream branches of Christianity. With Orthodox/coptic ones, its fully and completely religious event. They don't mess around.


Its also why I said Easter is the main bona-fide christian holiday.
 

Jäger

Senior Member
May 2, 2021
1,529
I allways find happy holidays or the over corrections to appease other holidays that are irrelevant to those communities to be bizzare and weird. No one celebrating Hanukkah, Kwanza (so miniscule), is ever really offended by merry Christmas. And I would say the same if Ramadan was on same exact time as Christmas.



So dont try to put on silly point of views I didnt express on to me. But its a historical fact that on the core Christmas has little to nothing to do with Christianity. It got adopted around the religion because it became the dominant religion, but the traditions, the mysticism and mythology of the feast itself ALL predate Christianity.
I wasn't necessarily accusing you in particular of thinking that way, I was speaking in general terms.

Humans aren't that complicated, like everything else they borrow and re shape their traditions. Its not the same celebration, but its super obvious to acknowledge the origins. Christmas has fully evolved from pagan feasts, down to date and customs . Wether its saturnalia that has very little in common with current Christmas traditions (except the date itself, 25th) , or the more closely resemblances of North European pagan winter solstice traditions that Xmas literally borrowed from, from customs down to the actual name of the holiday in many of these countries (im not kidding, Swedens name for Xmas is same as the pagan holiday), down to the very myth of Santa Claus, or later Father Christmas, who you hardly can call a Christian entity, but simply a reshaped old tales, a cocktail of many versions of magical gift giver in pagan times.
Christmas has nothing to do with the following, and there is absolutely no evidence from antiquity to suggest that Christians adopted this 'strategy' of 'borrowing' pagan traditions, if anything it was strongly discouraged from the community because of its satanic elements. The resemblances to northern european winter customs are a modern phenomenon. Its not my fault that people have appropriated christmas with pagan elements, if they even are pagan to begin with. But that's a discussion for another time.

Also Saturnelia took place between the 17th and 23rd of December, not the 25th. 'Yule' started around 400AD, Christmas was well established on 25th December by then. It was the name of the month in which the Christian festival happened to fall.
The church at the time said its the birth of christ, even though no one knows (there's no fact about his birth year let alone month or day) to nail the tradition down, and its a wonderful and beautiful thing to celebrate with family for sure. But at its very core, there's nothing truly Christian or relating to Christianity with Christmas. Atleast when it comes to the mainstream branches of Christianity. With Orthodox/coptic ones, its fully and completely religious event. They don't mess around.
There is a reason, and it has nothing to do with Constantine. Early Christian writers had no date for Christ's birth, so they invented one by using the old tradition of associating the day of a holy man's death as being the same day as his conception, which they believed occurred on the 25th of March, around the time of passover. The date, 9 months on, happens to be the 25th of December. If they really were hellbent on 'appropriating' Saturnelia, they could have at least gotten the dates right.
 

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