Interestingly i remember it being less deadly, vax is not the way out of this.
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I'm all for getting the elderly and risk groups vaccinated, and If I'd belong to that group I'd have gotten the jab a long time ago.
Guy here referred to a young healthy person and got as reply the 800.000 death tally, as if the young were dropping dead like crazy from this when it couldn't be further from the truth.
Guy here referred to a young healthy person and got as reply the 800.000 death tally, as if the young were dropping dead like crazy from this when it couldn't be further from the truth.
Why? If he's young he's right. And it's not hubris, it's facts. I'd consider the reply to be stupid.
Tell that 800.000 people
Tell that 800.000 people
Median age of both hospitalization and death plummeted during delta waves, mostly because the elderly had the highest vaccine uptake rates. Hospitalizations and deaths soared in the 19-49 and 50-64 age groups, compared to initial waves. And almost exclusively in the unvaccinated.
How many of these are there in ‘murica though? Things like obesity and diabetes and smoking and the like being significant markers for increasing risk. 34 million people in the US have diabetes… I think the number is similar for smokers… the adult obesity rate in 2020 was 42.4% which is insane. I imagine quite a few of those “Herman Cain Awards” are going to anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-restrictions folks who think Covid isn’t a big deal because they have a strong immune system and are healthy young people when the reality is anything but.
Definitely not attacking your choice or point of view. I’m a-ok with people choosing not to get vaccinated. I considered the same for myself for several weeks before ultimately deciding I was fine with getting vaxxed.
This part isn’t directed at you but I just find the arguments that the vaccines are ineffective/useless as a reason not to get them beyond silly. Every single analysis/study has shown they’ve made a huge difference in hospitalization and death rates compared side by side with unvaccinated populations. Personal preference is a fine reason to not get vaxxed. No need to make up nonsense to justify it. Unfortunately even things like getting vaccinated have entered our culture wars and that just sends everyone off the deep end into the absurd.
This part isn’t directed at you but I just find the arguments that the vaccines are ineffective/useless as a reason not to get them beyond silly. Every single analysis/study has shown they’ve made a huge difference in hospitalization and death rates compared side by side with unvaccinated populations. Personal preference is a fine reason to not get vaxxed. No need to make up nonsense to justify it. Unfortunately even things like getting vaccinated have entered our culture wars and that just sends everyone off the deep end into the absurd.
People think lockdowns didn't help because the virus didn't vanish. If you take that standard, pretty much everything we do is going to be a failure.
Does that justify doing nothing?
Not if you don't want your ICU visits to be in the next country over.
Point is it would be way worse if people didn't take the vaccines, hard as that may be to believe.
Bummer. Sorry you feel that. As someone who did that 3.5 years ago, it was one of the best moves I ever made in my life. Yes, I missed home ... I'm back in the US for the first time in two years right now ... but then again I was never "heartbroken". And that wasn't so much the dumpster fire going on in the US as much as being driven my curiosity in a new culture where I didn't yet belong but wanted to learn.
Some of that might depend on how you identify yourself. Some expats cling to their former countries and identities in an exaggerated way, which is why you get Mexico NT fans in the US who are as loco as they come. Even if the people in Mexico would now think they're a bunch of half-gringos.
My advice? Figure out what feels like home for you, where you can make it. You may find that you're not fully home in your new country, visit back and also feel you're not fully home there either. The classic immigrant experience.
Coming back here after two years has been good, but it has been more of a re-entry experience than I expected.
Yeah, being here for two months, I've treated this visit as "being a tourist in my former life", and it's pretty much playing out that way.
100% agreement in the multi-pronged approach. Any country that banks its national health security solely on vaccines is gonna get beyootch slapped. Single measures always have weaknesses and failures. A 10-foot wall is only as good as the lock on the door to get in. Or the nearby sales of 12-foot ladders.
There needs to be aggressive testing. There needs to be community adherence. There needs to be social conveniences that allows sick people to function without infecting tons of other people (paid sick days, access to health care, etc.). There needs to be better treatments for people who do come down with it to minimize impact. There needs to be consideration also for economics, mental health, ongoing health care concerns like cancer tests and treatments, and things like functional education. People also need options for getting exercise and having some measure of socializing. Invest in dynamic capacity in ICUs and the health care system in general.
And while people who get ill shouldn't necessarily be criminalized, they need to be segregated. And plans need to be fluid, dynamic, clear at the time, and people need to STFU when rules need to change.
It's funny how people want the freedom to do whatever they want, but with no consequences nor responsibilities when bad things happen.
Reddit is for troglodytes. My life is richer for not spending a minute more in that clickhole.
Does that justify doing nothing?
Not if you don't want your ICU visits to be in the next country over.
Point is it would be way worse if people didn't take the vaccines, hard as that may be to believe.
Bummer. Sorry you feel that. As someone who did that 3.5 years ago, it was one of the best moves I ever made in my life. Yes, I missed home ... I'm back in the US for the first time in two years right now ... but then again I was never "heartbroken". And that wasn't so much the dumpster fire going on in the US as much as being driven my curiosity in a new culture where I didn't yet belong but wanted to learn.
Some of that might depend on how you identify yourself. Some expats cling to their former countries and identities in an exaggerated way, which is why you get Mexico NT fans in the US who are as loco as they come. Even if the people in Mexico would now think they're a bunch of half-gringos.
My advice? Figure out what feels like home for you, where you can make it. You may find that you're not fully home in your new country, visit back and also feel you're not fully home there either. The classic immigrant experience.
Coming back here after two years has been good, but it has been more of a re-entry experience than I expected.
Yeah, being here for two months, I've treated this visit as "being a tourist in my former life", and it's pretty much playing out that way.
100% agreement in the multi-pronged approach. Any country that banks its national health security solely on vaccines is gonna get beyootch slapped. Single measures always have weaknesses and failures. A 10-foot wall is only as good as the lock on the door to get in. Or the nearby sales of 12-foot ladders.
There needs to be aggressive testing. There needs to be community adherence. There needs to be social conveniences that allows sick people to function without infecting tons of other people (paid sick days, access to health care, etc.). There needs to be better treatments for people who do come down with it to minimize impact. There needs to be consideration also for economics, mental health, ongoing health care concerns like cancer tests and treatments, and things like functional education. People also need options for getting exercise and having some measure of socializing. Invest in dynamic capacity in ICUs and the health care system in general.
And while people who get ill shouldn't necessarily be criminalized, they need to be segregated. And plans need to be fluid, dynamic, clear at the time, and people need to STFU when rules need to change.
It's funny how people want the freedom to do whatever they want, but with no consequences nor responsibilities when bad things happen.
Reddit is for troglodytes. My life is richer for not spending a minute more in that clickhole.
