Dostoevsky

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Or, you know, I could be dead.

Point is the vaccine might have helped me and it had no negative side effect.

By getting it I simply maximized my chances of survival.

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Or you maximized chances to get a heart attack.

But yeah, exactly, it's full of maybes and ors.

Dead, though? Yeah... I somehow doubt that. I wonder how graphs look for 18-35yo with no huge health issues. It's not even 0.1% to die.
 

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Allegri_is_God

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Well, the studies are showing that your immunity starts to drop off after six months, so it was 7 months for me. I don't get sick often, but when I do, it's terrible colds.

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Not everyone is the same, bro. And you seem to be healthy as fuck, so count yourself lucky. :D
My study is.... both of my coworkers from office had covid. They hardly knew they have it. Back to work after 10 days. None of them are vaxed
 

Fred

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Or you maximized chances to get a heart attack.

But yeah, exactly, it's full of maybes and ors.

Dead, though? Yeah... I somehow doubt that. I wonder how graphs look for 18-35yo with no huge health issues. It's not even 0.1% to die.
But it's a bit more than that though. It is statistically true that hospitalization rates among the vaccinated are significantly lower than the non-vaccinated population. So while on the individual level the vaccine's effectiveness might vary, most studies show that on average the vaccines are absolutely effective at reducing probability of severe symptoms and hospitalizations.

Whether it prevented worse outcomes for Seven and Andy, we'll never know. But i can't see how you can argue that they didn't improve their chances being vaccinated.
 

Dostoevsky

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But it's a bit more than that though. It is statistically true that hospitalization rates among the vaccinated are significantly lower than the non-vaccinated population. So while on the individual level the vaccine's effectiveness might vary, most studies show that on average the vaccines are absolutely effective at reducing probability of severe symptoms and hospitalizations.

Whether it prevented worse outcomes for Seven and Andy, we'll never know. But i can't see how you can argue that they didn't improve their chances being vaccinated.
But if we'll never know come you know it improved their chances while being vaccinated?
 

Seven

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But if we'll never know come you know it improved their chances while being vaccinated?
Because overall your chances of being hospitalized are far lower if you are vaccinated.

So it's not possible to say with certainty that the vaccine prevented a worse outcome, but it is certain that it improved my chances.

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Fred

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But if we'll never know come you know it improved their chances while being vaccinated?
Because in most studies on representative sample sizes there is significant evidence for the efficacy of the vaccine in reducing severe symptoms. So on the individual level if you're asking about Seven or Andy, we'll never know for sure if the vaccine helped them specifically. But that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, it's statistically true that unvaccinated people are at much higher risk of developing severe symptoms and being hospitalized.

So it follows that the vaccine more likely did help them.
 

campionesidd

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But if we'll never know come you know it improved their chances while being vaccinated?
it’s pretty simple really.
We all know smoking kills, and significantly increases your chances of getting lung cancer.
Does that mean every smoker dies before every non-smoker? Of course not. You will see plenty of instances where a chain smoker lives cancer free till the age of 90 and a non-smoker dies from cancer at the age of 25.
It’s all about probability. Getting vaccinated significantly improves your odds of surviving Covid or getting a serious case of the disease. It doesn’t mean every non-vaccinated person will die and every vaccinated person will live.
 

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Because in most studies on representative sample sizes there is significant evidence for the efficacy of the vaccine in reducing severe symptoms. So on the individual level if you're asking about Seven or Andy, we'll never know for sure if the vaccine helped them specifically. But that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, it's statistically true that unvaccinated people are at much higher risk of developing severe symptoms and being hospitalized.

So it follows that the vaccine more likely did help them.
The deaths from Covid occur due to severe pneumonia. The vaccine clearly helps prevent that from occurring. So instead of having breathing problems from pneumonia, I'm dealing with what is a pretty bad cold plus some sensory issues. In fact, I think the mild cases of Covid have more reported cases of loss of smell and taste, as opposed to the severe cases where headache and fever turns into pneumonia. So hell yeah, I'll take a bad cold over not being able to breath, that's for damn sure.
 

Enron

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Because in most studies on representative sample sizes there is significant evidence for the efficacy of the vaccine in reducing severe symptoms. So on the individual level if you're asking about Seven or Andy, we'll never know for sure if the vaccine helped them specifically. But that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, it's statistically true that unvaccinated people are at much higher risk of developing severe symptoms and being hospitalized.

So it follows that the vaccine more likely did help them.
you can’t prove it as you’re not in their bodies
 

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I did. And I got the booster last week. Unfortunately I must have contracted it days before the booster started working.

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Define “working”.

So much conflation between symptoms and infections going on out there.

Hard to say. They lose effectiveness over time, but maybe I would have been much sicker without them.
But how do you measure effectiveness?

The idiocy I see are people expecting the vaccine to c*ck-block Covid from ever entering your nose vs preventing the bad symptoms when you get it.

I’ve had covid 9 times.
The 11th time is the charm.
 

Seven

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Define “working”.

So much conflation between symptoms and infections going on out there.



But how do you measure effectiveness?

The idiocy I see are people expecting the vaccine to c*ck-block Covid from ever entering your nose vs preventing the bad symptoms when you get it.



The 11th time is the charm.
My immune system simply wouldn't have responded to the booster before I contracted the virus. With the incubation period it's likely I got it the same day or the day before.

If you don't get as sick as you would without the vaccine, it's 'effective' imo.

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Or you maximized chances to get a heart attack.

But yeah, exactly, it's full of maybes and ors.

Dead, though? Yeah... I somehow doubt that. I wonder how graphs look for 18-35yo with no huge health issues. It's not even 0.1% to die.
symptomatic Covid inflames the heart and causes higher risk for adverse cardiac events, even in young people who don’t die. Long Covid is a real thing and not infrequent. You are far more likely to run into heart issues as a young person from Covid than from the vaccine

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Or...



Said this baby in March btw
You actually expecting anyone to take anything Del Bigtree of Vaccines=autism fame, seriously? Dude made an entire anti-vax junk science film based on Andrew Wakefield’s shit. :lol: He’s long term been one of the leading anti-vaxxers in the US. An outright propagandist.

People worried about Covid vaccine specifically don’t help their cause when they bring up shit from nutjob anti-vaxxers.
 
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campionesidd

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symptomatic Covid inflames the heart and causes higher risk for adverse cardiac events, even in young people who don’t die. Long Covid is a real thing and not infrequent. You are far more likely to run into heart issues as a young person from Covid than from the vaccine

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You actually expecting anyone to take anything Del Bigtree of Vaccines=autism fame, seriously? Dude made an entire anti-vax junk science film based on Andrew Wakefield’s shit. :lol: He’s long term been one the leading anti-vaxxers in the US. An outright propagandist.

People worried about Covid vaccine specifically don’t help their cause when they bring up shit from nutjob anti-vaxxers.
Ironically, people who hate listening to the government are making decisions based solely on what the government is saying by always doing the opposite.
 

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