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[Seven]

Well i agree diagnostics being hazy makes for a ton of people being diagnosed as such when they likely shouldnt be.

Probably a lot of pressure to slap a label on someone so you can suggest treatment and make it look like youre doing something to justify the 300$ hr billing

Bingo.

Which is why I'm not surprised that the reaction can be strong when you try to talk about the subject.

The bottomline with most personality disorders is that I do think these people have issues. I'm just not sure we have to call it a disorder.

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[Seven]

Then we shouldn't discuss football really. At least majority of us.

And that goes for majority of topics as well since people love talking about things they have no clue about, or just have very little knowledge of it.

The best part is that we are debating whether it has any intrinsic value at all. Even in court specialists are always asked to prove the validity of their field. The burden of proof here is on psychologists not on me.

In other science we just accept that btw. But somehow psychologists don't think it applies to them.

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[king Ale]

I'm going to try to put this in simple words:

People with bpd are diagnosed as such by talking to them.

So if you talk to them and they seem normal, that is pretty significant.

A broken bone is diagnosed by an x ray. If the x ray looks fine, your bone probably is too.

This is not some sort of outrageous statement. It's just how they diagnose it. Every day. In millions of cases.

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Ok I will stop.

Then we shouldn't discuss football really. At least majority of us.

And that goes for majority of topics as well since people love talking about things they have no clue about, or just have very little knowledge of it.

That's a messed up analogy.

 

[Seven]

Ok I will stop.



That's a messed up analogy.

Again. No argument. I've given you tons of examples, but you don't reply. You think a simple ad hominem will make me surrender to your intellectual superiority. Maybe you can bluff your way through in academia, but that's not how it works in the real world. I am far from impressed.

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[Maddy]

Well i agree diagnostics being hazy makes for a ton of people being diagnosed as such when they likely shouldnt be.

Probably a lot of pressure to slap a label on someone so you can suggest treatment and make it look like youre doing something to justify the 300$ hr billing

But that a systemic problem irrelevant to whether or not psychology is a science.

I enjoy this borderline nonsense from Seven. I've actually worked with girls with the borderline diagnosis on a day to day basis in a home for girls, that had been removed from their parents. These girls were destroyed. Oddly enough natural sciences can't explain what these traumas done to them, but social science can - without being perfect and a long way to go.

Reducing these girls to "assholes" is an obvious lack of empathy and understanding.

 

[Dostoevsky]

That's a messed up analogy.

Is it?

Majority of people will just give their opinion based on x matches that they saw. Opinion will differ when you're talking to a person who trained football and had some real experience in it.

I think it goes the same about politics and even literature.

 

[Maddy]

Then we shouldn't discuss football really. At least majority of us.

And that goes for majority of topics as well since people love talking about things they have no clue about, or just have very little knowledge of it.

I hope you understand the difference in armchairing football matches and dismissing psychology.

 

[Seven]

But that a systemic problem irrelevant to whether or not psychology is a science.

I enjoy this borderline nonsense from Seven. I've actually worked with girls with the borderline diagnosis on a day to day basis in a home for girls, that had been removed from their parents. These girls were destroyed. Oddly enough natural sciences can't explain what these traumas done to them, but social science can - without being perfect and a long way to go.

Reducing these girls to "assholes" is an obvious lack of empathy and understanding.

Again. You fail to make the distinction. Many people with bpd are just cunts. Plain and simple.

The girls you speak of might have real issues. And your treatment might heal them. That doesn't mean bpd is real though.

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[Maddy]

The best part is that we are debating whether it has any intrinsic value at all. Even in court specialists are always asked to prove the validity of their field. The burden of proof here is on psychologists not on me.

In other science we just accept that btw. But somehow psychologists don't think it applies to them.

I'm sorry but you are again and again generalizing from your own anecdotal evidence. Could you please stop that?

Absurd. Academic psychologist are very well aware of psychology's limits.

 

[Seven]

I'm sorry but you are again and again generalizing from your own anecdotal evidence. Could you please stop that?

Absurd. Academic psychologist are very well aware of psychology's limits.

I'm talking about the psychologists in this thread.

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[Maddy]

Again. You fail to make the distinction. Many people with bpd are just cunts. Plain and simple.

The girls you speak of might have real issues. And your treatment might heal them. That doesn't mean bpd is real though.

It is real. It's a term we use to describe a pattern of internal and external behaviour. Dear lord, you are talking out of your ass.

You are the Andy/Bjerknes of psychology.

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I'm talking about the psychologists in this thread.

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There are none in this thread.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Bingo.

Which is why I'm not surprised that the reaction can be strong when you try to talk about the subject.

The bottomline with most personality disorders is that I do think these people have issues. I'm just not sure we have to call it a disorder.

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Idk. I knew a girl in college for several years (same group of friends) who let it slip she had been diagnosed with BPD.

Fun girl, i liked hanging out with her most of the time but as i got to know her was one of the most fucked up people i have ever met. There was definitely something very seriously wrong with her beyond normal girl from a tough life.

We actually got along great the whole time but i think that is because we were never romantically involved. She was attractive and flirtatious but i would need a change of phone number and a guaranteed next day intercontinental flight before poking that.

 

[Seven]

It is real. It's a term we use to describe a pattern of internal and external behaviour. Dear lord, you are talking out of your ass.

You are the Andy/Bjerknes of psychology.

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There are none in this thread.

I didn't know a feeling of emptiness was behaviour. That's news to me.

If you were to limit yourself to just describing behaviour I'd actually agree with you.

The prime example of this is what some call psychopaths. One of the traits is / was criminal behaviour. The consequence was that every criminal was suddenly called a psychopath. That's nonsense.

If you describe the behaviour and stop there, I think that's great.

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[Maddy]

Idk. I knew a girl in college for several years (same group of friends) who let it slip she had been diagnosed with BPD.

Fun girl, i liked hanging out with her most of the time but as i got to know her was one of the most fucked up people i have ever met. There was definitely something very seriously wrong with her beyond normal girl from a tough life.

We actually got along great the whole time but i think that is because we were never romantically involved. She was attractive and flirtatious but i would need a change of phone number and a guaranteed next day intercontinental flight before poking that.

Anyone there's been around soemone with a borderline disorder for a reasonable period of tiem is very well aware, that there's soemthing "wrong", and when you've been around enough you start to see a clear pattern: behaviour (internal/external), background and possible traumas from neglect and abuse.

 

[Seven]

Anyone there's been around soemone with a borderline disorder for a reasonable period of tiem is very well aware, that there's soemthing "wrong", and when you've been around enough you start to see a clear pattern: behaviour (internal/external), background and possible traumas from neglect and abuse.

Yes. With the funny part being that a lot of the time they make stuff up, so good luck with uncovering the trauma.

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[Maddy]

@Hængebøffer

You need to read these last pages

 

[Enron]

The two are not mutually exclusive. Moreover the debate at hand is whether psychology is a science or not and imo it's no debate at all it clearly isn't by any stretch of the imagination. @Seven hit the nail in the head when describing the difference between cancer which is visible, sometimes to the naked eye and say a mental condition based solely on how someone can or can't describe emotionally. So one your symptom assessment is not reliable. Second, and more problematic, is how psychology tries to explain said symptoms with nothing more than superficial philosophical takes on humanity. As a matter of fact philosophy is more scientific than psychology heck one can argue even religion is.

The material studied doesn't make something pseudoscience. Your argument is that "some psychological diagnosis seem made up to my untrained eye therefore the entire field is bullshit".

I think if you say something isn't scientific then you have to prove it with scientific process, rules, etc. Talk about studies, methods, etc. You guys are just saying what you think.

 

[Seven]

The material studied doesn't make something pseudoscience. Your argument is that "some psychological diagnosis seem made up to my untrained eye therefore the entire field is bullshit".

I think if you say something isn't scientific then you have to prove it with scientific process, rules, etc. Talk about studies, methods, etc. You guys are just saying what you think.

There is no internal consistency either. Doctors sometimes come up with a different diagnosis. But not all the time.

If four specialists all have a different diagnosis it's likely the science doesn't add up.

Also, again, the specialist has to prove his field is worthwhile, not the layman.

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[Seven]

@Hængebøffer

You need to read these last pages

Maybe you need to actually question things more in life, rather than assume everything you're spoonfed is true.

It's easy to mock Trump supporters for being simple, yet gobble up this stuff like crazy.

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[Maddy]

I feel liek playing Mafia this summer

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