pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
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Forget implication for a second, and also forget the silly simplified binary consent for sex the feminists push, if you go on a date with someone then they go home with you to drink and do drugs, is it a fair expectation that something sexual will transpire? The real question here is that of agency, if a woman is not interested in sleeping with you she won't go to dinner with you much less go home and drink with you. Either that or we start holding women to the same standards as kids and they can't sign contacts or vote.
depends on the person, it's definitely not safe to assume that. especially when we're talking about a celebrity, there's plenty of other motives to hang out with popular, rich people besides having sex
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I know that I have infinitely more experience going to Mexico, and working and hanging out with Mexicans than you do
That's quite an assumption. Then again you just said an entire continent was lazy, so...

Forget implication for a second, and also forget the silly simplified binary consent for sex the feminists push, if you go on a date with someone then they go home with you to drink and do drugs, is it a fair expectation that something sexual will transpire? The real question here is that of agency, if a woman is not interested in sleeping with you she won't go to dinner with you much less go home and drink with you. Either that or we start holding women to the same standards as kids and they can't sign contacts or vote.
That doesn't mean a man is entitled to having sex with that woman. There have been plenty of girls I have been interested in, but lost interest in later on. What we should consider here though is the burden of proof. And as tough as that may be, it is on the victim. If you go home with a man and you have sex with him, it is up to you to prove it was not consensual. It seems many people forget this nowadays. Nevermind people who think they can retroactively withdraw consent or say that consent can never be implied (I personally have only ever asked a women if she wanted to have sex back when I was a teenager, never as a full grown adult).
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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depends on the person, it's definitely not safe to assume that. especially when we're talking about a celebrity, there's plenty of other motives to hang out with popular, rich people besides having sex
Expectation is not action, the question here is like i said agency if you get drunk or high and end up sleeping with someone can you retroactively withdraw consent, which imo is total bs

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depends on the person, it's definitely not safe to assume that. especially when we're talking about a celebrity, there's plenty of other motives to hang out with popular, rich people besides having sex
Expectation is not action, the question here is like i said agency if you get drunk or high and end up sleeping with someone can you retroactively withdraw consent, which imo is total bs

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That's quite an assumption. Then again you just said an entire continent was lazy, so...



That doesn't mean a man is entitled to having sex with that woman. There have been plenty of girls I have been interested in, but lost interest in later on. What we should consider here though is the burden of proof. And as tough as that may be, it is on the victim. If you go home with a man and you have sex with him, it is up to you to prove it was not consensual. It seems many people forget this nowadays. Nevermind people who think they can retroactively withdraw consent or say that consent can never be implied (I personally have only ever asked a women if she wanted to have sex back when I was a teenager, never as a full grown adult).
But don't you see the problem with how using alcohol and drugs to withdraw consent creates a big problem here? All the girl has to say is i had a drink, if the guy admits to having sex with her it's rape. That's the same issue with cosby, at least in the case that ended in mistrial, he offered her quaaludes, she took em they sleep together, the prosecution asked him if he got oral consent when she was sober he said no and they but their case on that
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
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Expectation is not action, the question here is like i said agency if you get drunk or high and end up sleeping with someone can you retroactively withdraw consent, which imo is total bs
From that point I agree, it is questionable from legal perspective and can be problematic given how this is pretty much the norm in nowadays society to go to a bar, pick someone up and sleep with them
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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That's been my life for the past 2 weeks.
Life is fucking unfair my brother.

I'm busy reading dumbass posts in the wishlist and predict your Juve thread, and people keep asking me to do things.

I don't even know if I'll get time today to catch up on the latest articles on everydayfeminism.com

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National Holiday today :maddy:
Lucky. You get to be on Tuz all day :sad:
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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Life is fucking unfair my brother.

I'm busy reading dumbass posts in the wishlist and predict your Juve thread, and people keep asking me to do things.

I don't even know if I'll get time today to catch up on the latest articles on everydayfeminism.com

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Lucky. You get to be on Tuz all day :sad:
Lol, word.

I mean, I can't even show up high at work these days.
 

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