GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Alright.

You know that I didn't mean it literally, right? I used that term to signify the uncertainty of the future that lies ahead of the decision you make.

faith: belief in something empirically unverifiable, you have no knowledge of the future but you hold belief in the outcome of a certain action through induction, hunch, or arbitrarily
 
Apr 15, 2006
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Every choice we make is a leap of "faith". You just have to pick something and go for it, and know that it might turn out it wasn't the best decision, and be okay with that.
I just fear the "go for it" part.

I'd say so.

Think it through logically and come to a decision.

Don't do any 'leaping' or anything rash.

And even taking a big risk isn't necessarily rash if the potential reward is big enough.
I've thought it through, but I feel there are things I'm unaware of that I should be including into the equation. Do you know what I mean?

faith: belief in something empirically unverifiable, you have no knowledge of the future but you hold belief in the outcome of a certain action through induction, hunch, or arbitrarily
OK. Why do you laugh at that?
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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You know that I didn't mean it literally, right? I used that term to signify the uncertainty of the future that lies ahead of the decision you make.
Everything is a leap of faith. Even trying to stay put. In this life, there are no guarantees. (Well, other than Lapa staying drunk.) So even apparently "not making a decision" is making a decision with risk. You just don't recognize it at first.

People on average are more risk-averse with making decisions, and they end up living less of their lives. But that's just my lameass opinion. :D

Some of the best things I ever did was break out of my routine and did something that required that leap of faith.
 
Apr 15, 2006
56,640
Everything is a leap of faith. Even trying to stay put. In this life, there are no guarantees. (Well, other than Lapa staying drunk.) So even apparently "not making a decision" is making a decision with risk. You just don't recognize it at first.

People on average are more risk-averse with making decisions, and they end up living less of their lives. But that's just my lameass opinion. :D

Some of the best things I ever did was break out of my routine and did something that required that leap of faith.
Just what I wanted to hear. :tup:
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,779
I just fear the "go for it" part.

I've thought it through, but I feel there are things I'm unaware of that I should be including into the equation. Do you know what I mean?

OK. Why do you laugh at that?
oh it's funny considering you crusades against faith based conclusions in the God thread

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Everything is a leap of faith. Even trying to stay put. In this life, there are no guarantees. (Well, other than Lapa staying drunk.) So even apparently "not making a decision" is making a decision with risk. You just don't recognize it at first.

People on average are more risk-averse with making decisions, and they end up living less of their lives. But that's just my lameass opinion. :D

Some of the best things I ever did was break out of my routine and did something that required that leap of faith.
not according to sheik http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/26241-Does-God-exist-%28William-Lane-Craig-vs-Peter-Atkins-debate%29?p=3431837&viewfull=1#post3431837
 
Apr 15, 2006
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oh it's funny considering you crusades against faith based conclusions in the God thread
Only that we're arguing about 2 different kinds of faith. When talking about religious faith, I would modify that definition slight to:

faith: belief in something empirically unverifiable, you have no knowledge of the future but you hold belief in the outcome of a certain action through the revelation of god

While your first definition is something a lot of people face, and thus becomes something ordinary, introducing god into the definition makes it entirely different.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,779
Only that we're arguing about 2 different kinds of faith. When talking about religious faith, I would modify that definition slight to:

faith: belief in something empirically unverifiable, you have no knowledge of the future but you hold belief in the outcome of a certain action through the revelation of god

While your first definition is something a lot of people face, and thus becomes something ordinary, introducing god into the definition makes it entirely different.
god, giaccherini, successful business all the same; unless you are biased, which you are most obviously are

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oh and are you coming out of the closet? :p
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Have any of you here taken any leaps of faith when it comes to making hard life decisions? If so, how did it turn out?
in 2008 after breaking up, i decided to go study again and take a degree, while living alone and having a good income (1800net isnt bad).
I moved back home, quit job and starter chemistry studies.

4 years later, i have my bachelor degree in biochemistry, and am doing the first of two years to industrial engineer(master) biochemistry, and have met a girl in that very university that is endlessly better then the tramp that wasted 5 good years of my life and my first studies.

Best decision ever. biggest one to
 
Apr 15, 2006
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god, giaccherini, successful business all the same; unless you are biased, which you are most obviously are
They're not all the same. I can see Giaccherini play, I can assess the success of a business by looking into their quarterly reports, etc., but god? In what way can I possibly examine the actions of god? Especially with him being undetectable?

The only one here who's biased seems to be you.

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oh and are you coming out of the closet? :p
I thought I already did that by professing my love to Rab here! :D

in 2008 after breaking up, i decided to go study again and take a degree, while living alone and having a good income (1800net isnt bad).
I moved back home, quit job and starter chemistry studies.

4 years later, i have my bachelor degree in biochemistry, and am doing the first of two years to industrial engineer(master) biochemistry, and have met a girl in that very university that is endlessly better then the tramp that wasted 5 good years of my life and my first studies.

Best decision ever. biggest one to
:tup: Thank you!
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
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They're not all the same. I can see Giaccherini play, I can assess the success of a business by looking into their quarterly reports, etc., but god? In what way can I possibly examine the actions of god? Especially with him being undetectable?

The only one here who's biased seems to be you.

not looking to convince you to believe in God, but you have been pestering this forum for a while mocking anyone who has "faith" in a deity, your blind faith in someone called Giaccherini is actually as far as a prioris are concerned
 

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