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L'autista
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I don't really know if I see them as either, I guess I don't think about it as much. I generally hold the same beliefs as they do, and as you seem to, but I'm more the person to laugh at things instead of get angry.
It's kind of a religion of it's own, IMO. One of my best friends is very active in the skeptics societies... before in London, and now establishing a lot here. Funny events where they do homeopathic medicine overdoses, etc. And stuff like mocking "balance bracelets" with placebo bracelets.

What's become clear to me, as much as I love the likes of Ben Goldacre, is that there's almost an evangelical-like zeal to converting the masses of people who put their faith in ignorant things. Now Goldacre demystifies bunk, which is good as a counterpoint and very necessary in a society that's easily duped by people citing so-called "facts" without understanding or interpreting their context properly.

But it crosses the line into the angry/evangelical territory when it becomes a crusade to convert the heathens who wish to believe in fairy dust, Santa Claus, homeopathy, and chupacabra. It's not enough that they have made that knowledge and rationality their own life's guidance... they will not be satisfied until they walk up to every gullible dolt and pop their belief balloons.

Some people need to believe in fairy tales. They need to believe that Michael Jackson didn't molest children or that Kim Kardashian's wedding was real. They need to believe in homeopathy or gluten-free diets, because it's what gets them out of bed in the morning and they've got little left to run on but the placebo effect. But there are those who just aren't satisfied until they rub everyone's faces in their illogic -- that think a utopian world is one where everyone has the same rational thought processes as themselves.

It can be as evangelical as any traditionally recognized religion.
 

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It's kind of a religion of it's own, IMO. One of my best friends is very active in the skeptics societies... before in London, and now establishing a lot here. Funny events where they do homeopathic medicine overdoses, etc. And stuff like mocking "balance bracelets" with placebo bracelets.

What's become clear to me, as much as I love the likes of Ben Goldacre, is that there's almost an evangelical-like zeal to converting the masses of people who put their faith in ignorant things. Now Goldacre demystifies bunk, which is good as a counterpoint and very necessary in a society that's easily duped by people citing so-called "facts" without understanding or interpreting their context properly.

But it crosses the line into the angry/evangelical territory when it becomes a crusade to convert the heathens who wish to believe in fairy dust, Santa Claus, homeopathy, and chupacabra. It's not enough that they have made that knowledge and rationality their own life's guidance... they will not be satisfied until they walk up to every gullible dolt and pop their belief balloons.

Some people need to believe in fairy tales. They need to believe that Michael Jackson didn't molest children or that Kim Kardashian's wedding was real. They need to believe in homeopathy or gluten-free diets, because it's what gets them out of bed in the morning and they've got little left to run on but the placebo effect. But there are those who just aren't satisfied until they rub everyone's faces in their illogic -- that think a utopian world is one where everyone has the same rational thought processes as themselves.

It can be as evangelical as any traditionally recognized religion.
Have you read 'Bad Science'?

His whole hypothesis is that he doesnt care if people want to buy stuff, but he does care about science, the scientific method and science reporting. When psuedo science is given attention as genuine science in the media it tampers with the public understanding of how science works and the scientific method. He isn't evangelic..he's just right lol.

I can't be bothered to look it up but i remember in his book "I do not care if people buy this stuff, I view it as an idiot tax and its their problem not mine"

Also on your last paragraph...do we really need those people in the human race? Can we not see it as natural selection - if you cant handle reality then grab a noose.

I read an interesting article a while back that said that if you in anyway deny the scientific method you should given a science tax - anything that science has given you since the scientific method was created you have to give back and live an amish lifestyle....its the fairest way to deal with creationists, homeopaths etc. If you are going to deny what this method is proving, why should you have be allowed to use the results of what it has given you. No ipod/computer/car/ for you mr homeopath.
 

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L'autista
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Have you read 'Bad Science'?
Probably before you were born. :D

Also on your last paragraph...do we really need those people in the human race? Can we not see it as natural selection - if you cant handle reality then grab a noose.
But what I sense is that those people are given a faith-based ultimatum: either convert and believe in my form of rational thought or to the wolves with you.

There's a strong air of intolerance in that. It's no different from the Crusaders who told Muslims to convert to Christianity or face the sword. Not exactly enlightened means for rational thought, IMO.

I read an interesting article a while back that said that if you in anyway deny the scientific method you should given a science tax - anything that science has given you since the scientific method was created you have to give back and live an amish lifestyle....its the fairest way to deal with creationists, homeopaths etc. If you are going to deny what this method is proving, why should you have be allowed to use the results of what it has given you. No ipod/computer/car/ for you mr homeopath.
That still won't stop the retards in this country who say science is the devil's work, but when they suddenly go to an infertility clinic and the woman gets impregnated with octuplets, it's suddenly "God's will" that they should all be born together despite the health risks on all the siblings. Somehow, it was never "God's will" that they should be infertile to begin with. :pado:

And while I like Charlie Brooker, I think his approach is insufferable and way too whiny for me. Maybe it's a British thing I don't get, but his incessant whining on TV makes me think of him as a brooding goth 14-year-old teenager in adult clothing.
 

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Probably before you were born. :D



But what I sense is that those people are given a faith-based ultimatum: either convert and believe in my form of rational thought or to the wolves with you.

There's a strong air of intolerance in that. It's no different from the Crusaders who told Muslims to convert to Christianity or face the sword. Not exactly enlightened means for rational thought, IMO.



That still won't stop the retards in this country who say science is the devil's work, but when they suddenly go to an infertility clinic and the woman gets impregnated with octuplets, it's suddenly "God's will" that they should all be born together despite the health risks on all the siblings. Somehow, it was never "God's will" that they should be infertile to begin with. :pado:

And while I like Charlie Brooker, I think his approach is insufferable and way too whiny for me. Maybe it's a British thing I don't get, but his incessant whining on TV makes me think of him as a brooding goth 14-year-old teenager in adult clothing.
Im not 2!!!!!

Live here for a bit, you're a smart guy...you'll come to love everything he says in comparison to the morons than broadcast in the place. Its his style of presenting and it achieves what he aims to
 

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L'autista
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I think you're misreading me. I like Goldacre. I've not heard him come off as the evangelical/angry type as Kate was alluding for some others. Mine was more a general comment for that latter lot.
 

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