Kate

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Feb 7, 2011
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Hmmm, if you read everything I say in the tone of ben goldacre or charlie brooker or any guardian columnist it may seem different. I use 'swear' words differently to most people.

Also I don't see the point in talking about the things that make me happy...I like pointing out whats wrong with things.

To be honest, most of my friends point it out. A recent quote from one of my friends - "sam the essence of what you just said to me is 'i make some friends and get rid of them and then more turn up, what the fuck?'...you are an angry man"
But Charlie Brooker and Ben Goldacre sound angry as well, especially Charlie. It must be exhausting.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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But Charlie Brooker and Ben Goldacre sound angry as well, especially Charlie. It must be exhausting.
Then you and I have different measures of anger. Could i assume you see them as cynics as opposed to realists?

I see them both (and all of my ideological inspirations) as disapointed realists and trying to open peoples minds to what is going on. Something I try and do when faced with Tory types and when I see ridiculous things. Im not angry im just disapointed, but it comes with the territory as a secular humanist & a social libertarian....a lot is disapointing, its hard to not just become a nihilist.

Also if you think im angry, you should check my movie and music collection...its all good shit :D
 

.zero

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Ever seen a barman grabbed by the tie, pulled over the bar and dumped face first on the floor?

That's happened before where I'm heading tonight.
Thats badass!

I have never heard of a barman being assaulted in modern times. I thought that only happened in the wild west saloons :lol:
 

Kate

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Feb 7, 2011
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Then you and I have different measures of anger. Could i assume you see them as cynics as opposed to realists?

I see them both (and all of my ideological inspirations) as disapointed realists and trying to open peoples minds to what is going on. Something I try and do when faced with Tory types and when I see ridiculous things. Im not angry im just disapointed, but it comes with the territory as a secular humanist & a social libertarian....a lot is disapointing, its hard to not just become a nihilist.

Also if you think im angry, you should check my movie and music collection...its all good shit :D
I don't really know if I see them as either, I guess I don't think about it as much. I generally hold the same beliefs as they do, and as you seem to, but I'm more the person to laugh at things instead of get angry.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Thats badass!

I have never heard of a barman being assaulted in modern times. I thought that only happened in the wild west saloons :lol:
The guy who did it didn't even get banned. :D

The barman was a cock and the perpetrator was a decent guy, as was the manager who just laughed at the whole incident.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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I don't really know if I see them as either, I guess I don't think about it as much. I generally hold the same beliefs as they do, and as you seem to, but I'm more the person to laugh at things instead of get angry.
My degree is basically what they do for a job. Analysing how politicans and the public interact and its implications (its a bit more complicated than that but i cant be bothered to go into detail).


:D
 

swag

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I don't really know if I see them as either, I guess I don't think about it as much. I generally hold the same beliefs as they do, and as you seem to, but I'm more the person to laugh at things instead of get angry.
It's kind of a religion of it's own, IMO. One of my best friends is very active in the skeptics societies... before in London, and now establishing a lot here. Funny events where they do homeopathic medicine overdoses, etc. And stuff like mocking "balance bracelets" with placebo bracelets.

What's become clear to me, as much as I love the likes of Ben Goldacre, is that there's almost an evangelical-like zeal to converting the masses of people who put their faith in ignorant things. Now Goldacre demystifies bunk, which is good as a counterpoint and very necessary in a society that's easily duped by people citing so-called "facts" without understanding or interpreting their context properly.

But it crosses the line into the angry/evangelical territory when it becomes a crusade to convert the heathens who wish to believe in fairy dust, Santa Claus, homeopathy, and chupacabra. It's not enough that they have made that knowledge and rationality their own life's guidance... they will not be satisfied until they walk up to every gullible dolt and pop their belief balloons.

Some people need to believe in fairy tales. They need to believe that Michael Jackson didn't molest children or that Kim Kardashian's wedding was real. They need to believe in homeopathy or gluten-free diets, because it's what gets them out of bed in the morning and they've got little left to run on but the placebo effect. But there are those who just aren't satisfied until they rub everyone's faces in their illogic -- that think a utopian world is one where everyone has the same rational thought processes as themselves.

It can be as evangelical as any traditionally recognized religion.
 

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