swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Financial health my ass. Bush sunk us with multiple war debts, bail-outs, etc., and it's only now that some Tea Party shows up in town?

I call bullshit on that one. Fiscal policy issues or not, the Tea Party would not exist today if we didn't elect a black president. Period.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,281
Financial health my ass. Bush sunk us with multiple war debts, bail-outs, etc., and it's only now that some Tea Party shows up in town?

I call bullshit on that one. Fiscal policy issues or not, the Tea Party would not exist today if we didn't elect a black president. Period.
Expected reply from you, Greg. None of this stuff was a race issue when it began. You have your head so far up your ass you're actually supporting Bush appointees... just because your Democrat clown selected them.

You, along with millions of other people in this nation, will be to blame for its eventual collapse.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,281
So I guess that since Bush did it, the Democrats have the OK to expand the government deficit 200% since Bush's second term. Despite Obama using deficits as a means to get elected, nobody cares anymore. Nobody would ever care about this stuff if Obama was white, so therefore, anybody that does care about deficits is a racist.

:lol:

What fucking stupidity. This means I'm a racist, too.

This nation is truly doomed, simply because nobody can unite to defeat the real issues that plague the nation.

The bankers want you talking about healthcare instead of their fraudulent practices. They want you discussing healthcare instead of acknowledging the USD is being debased by .5% per day while commodities such as crude, wheat, beans, corn, sugar, et cetera rise at least 1% in response. If this crap continues, we will be paying $150 per barrel in no time, which will then crash margins... and employment... even further.

But not only that. If commodity prices rise, so will healthcare costs. So you won't be able to afford that stuff either, even if Obama claims you will. I thought healthcare costs would go down? They DID NOT, THEY WENT UP FOR EVERYONE, AS EXPECTED.

No hope for this nation at all. Even very intelligent folks like swag are still stuck on the party stupidity.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
So I guess that since Bush did it, the Democrats have the OK to expand the government deficit 200% since Bush's second term. Despite Obama using deficits as a means to get elected, nobody cares anymore. Nobody would ever care about this stuff if Obama was white, so therefore, anybody that does care about deficits is a racist.

:lol:

What fucking stupidity. This means I'm a racist, too.

This nation is truly doomed, simply because nobody can unite to defeat the real issues that plague the nation.

The bankers want you talking about healthcare instead of their fraudulent practices. They want you discussing healthcare instead of acknowledging the USD is being debased by .5% per day while commodities such as crude, wheat, beans, corn, sugar, et cetera rise at least 1% in response. If this crap continues, we will be paying $150 per barrel in no time, which will then crash margins... and employment... even further.

But not only that. If commodity prices rise, so will healthcare costs. So you won't be able to afford that stuff either, even if Obama claims you will. I thought healthcare costs would go down? They DID NOT, THEY WENT UP FOR EVERYONE, AS EXPECTED.

No hope for this nation at all. Even very intelligent folks like swag are still stuck on the party stupidity.
Amen nigga
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
I would enjoy reading all of your lengthy posts, Andy...I would do it more often if I wasn't always caught up in my crusade against Amauri.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,281
I wish I was more articulate and had more knowledge of the financial products contributing to our demise as a nation. If so, I wouldn't make any posts here, and dedicate my time to a financial blog. That would be more useful for everyone.

I'm caring less and less about Juve nowadays. Not because I'm starting to dislike the club, but rather I'm watching my own nation, and future, unfold with passing time.

Guys like Greg don't care. He doesn't have a kid, lived a good life during a bubble generation, and can probably retire now. That's why he doesn't care. The rest of us can fuck off.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Shit has hit the fan, that's for sure. I am focused on myself and trying to get a career so I can generate enough wealth so that when I do have a family they won' have to work as hard as I am. Times are tough now but will be 10 times worse in 10-20 years I think, so I am doing everything I can to get ahead of the game.

Fuck Obama. That's all I have to say about him. I am going to the Jon Stewart rally this weekend in DC. I am going because my girl likes him and I don't follow him much, so I am curious. That and I am curious to see the kind of people that follow him. Gonna be a big deal here.

It's called "The Rally to Restore Sanity".
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,281
Shit has hit the fan, that's for sure. I am focused on myself and trying to get a career so I can generate enough wealth so that when I do have a family they won' have to work as hard as I am. Times are tough now but will be 10 times worse in 10-20 years I think, so I am doing everything I can to get ahead of the game.

Fuck Obama. That's all I have to say about him. I am going to the Jon Stewart rally this weekend in DC. I am going because my girl likes him and I don't follow him much, so I am curious. That and I am curious to see the kind of people that follow him. Gonna be a big deal here.

It's called "The Rally to Restore Sanity".
Dude, just be weary of one thing. If the current policies supported by the Obama administration and the Federal Reserve are successful, your $5000 in savings RIGHT NOW will be worth under $1000 in the future. The Federal Reserve is trying to debase the currency to support asset values owned by large banks who would dissolve if those prices go down. This currency debasement is going on right now, right in our face. If the DX breaks below 70 there will be a run on the dollar and these commodity costs will go up in price no matter demand.

I'm not shitting you with this. The Dollar can rally higher from here on out because 99% of people think it will decline, but in the long run it doesnt matter. The policies Bernanke and the Fed promote will destroy the system in the long run.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Guys like Greg don't care. He doesn't have a kid, lived a good life during a bubble generation, and can probably retire now. That's why he doesn't care. The rest of us can fuck off.
Au contraire. It's not that I don't care. It's that I know a bullshit smokescreen when I see one and I don't trust the motivations of anyone who cannot explain their absence and sudden appearance as anything but regressive clannish behavior triggered by a presidential election. You can't tell me that the Republican-lead House was a model of fiscal restraint during the Bush years when suddenly Obama walks in and all hell broke loose.

This ain't about defending the president or the administration. They're just as guilty as the last guys. This is about a group of people who are in denial about their roots. Where the f&$# were they when Bush had us charting on an Iraq War that everyone projected would cost us $2-3 trillion? Where the f&$# were they when the federal deficit by % GDP went from -2.37% in 2000 to 3.48% in 2004? Where the f&$# were they when William F Buckley was calling all fiscal non-conservatives traitors to the cause?

I'm glad you found something to hitch your wagon to, Andy. But you are deliberately sticking your head in the sand about the root foundations if what didn't exist in 2008 suddenly appears in 2009 and has nothing to do with a change in president -- despite the fact that the fiscal policies before and after haven't really changed much at all.

Calling the Tea Party a fiscally motivated organization is no different than calling the Serbian fans in Genova last month motivated to support Serbia's Euro 2012 chances. Recognizing the root motivations of a group is critical -- and not just their outward policies -- because even Pablo Escobar found common cause ground with supporters on the right issues. Just ask post-WWI Germany about fiscal reconstruction policies with a morally corrupt foundation and what that leads to.

But let me put this in other, less-ever-popular-Hitler-analogy terms that may make more direct and relevant sense to you, Andy: if a change in president is what it takes for this so-called fiscal movement policy to suddenly appear, by inference doesn't that suggest that a similar change in president can just as easily make it disappear? This despite the fact that the fiscal policies of various Democrat + Republican parties since Reagan haven't really changed one iota, despite the new White House resident every so often over the past 25 years? Wouldn't you want your political movement to exist beyond the whims of administrations, seeing that the policies extend well beyond them? Then why associate with a group of clowns who didn't see the reason to exist before Oprah's [sic] election?

Fiscal policy didn't change, Andy. Only the clown in the Oval Office changed. But by your definition, I guess by wanting something with a little more legs than the next election -- and by calling bullshit when I see someone wrapping themselves in the fiscal flag while denying their roots -- makes me someone who doesn't care.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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@Andy
You do realize that the "tea party" is an astroturf organization funded by big cash and their "end taxes" stance is just so the super rich don't have to pay all those darn taxes? Yeah. Things are not always what they seem.
 

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