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Your comment was vague and open to interpretation.

Corporations like SAIC have done quite a lot in the field of medical science. I know, my dad has worked as a civilian employee for them for over 20 years.
The title of the movie kind of limits the vagueness. Food Inc. isn't really that broad. If you were insulted then I apologize.

Anyway, I am aware that some corporations have helped out, tried to benefit the consumer as well as make a profit. But in the food industry this isn't the case. And while a few companies are actually attempting to use the system to help benefit the consumer, farmer, worker etc... the largest and most powerful simply aren't. It's a very comparable situation to the tobacco industry before its downfall in the 1990's.

The film on the other hand is actually really well done. It was directed by a guy that doesn't really do the environmental film thing so it lacks the usual ooze of bias. Though the subject matter is at times sad. Its something people really should see.
 

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actually hes right in a sense, private equity and investors fund most of modern, despite its many faults capitalist market is still empirically the superior system. The truth is we're spoiled, those very same things we hate so much increased life expectancy by some 20 years...
It is a trade off. Sacrifice a bit, live a little longer. If we want a boner in our eighties we're gonna take it in the pooper from our HMO. I get it.


Here's the real question: Is it that we live longer because we're healthier or are we just able to take enough pills to keep us going?

No one has ever done a study on current quality of life. I don't even know if it's something we can really quantify.
 

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It is a trade off. Sacrifice a bit, live a little longer. If we want a boner in our eighties we're gonna take it in the pooper from our HMO. I get it.


Here's the real question: Is it that we live longer because we're healthier or are we just able to take enough pills to keep us going?

No one has ever done a study on current quality of life. I don't even know if it's something we can really quantify.
truth is if it wasnt for the engineered food and the development of packaging a lot of us wouldnt survive past the age of 15, so it really doesnt matter of some of us die of cancer at 50. As for quality of life, we can qualify by asking those less fortunate than us. Hence my "spoiled" comment. But yes we have a lot to improve on in matters of waste and conservation.
 

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If you're speaking of Monsanto, I know what you mean. They're becoming a monopoly in the seed industry and not all intentions are good.
Yeah I was keeping the names out in case people want to see it (film). Monsanto has been a monopoly in the seed industry for about ten years ago (about 90% of the soy bean market and 70% of corn). Clarence Thomas has the checks to prove it as does our current head of the FDA.

It goes into all that. Discusses the recent outbreaks of deadly ecoli. Very interesting and eye opening stuff.
 

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Here's the real question: Is it that we live longer because we're healthier or are we just able to take enough pills to keep us going?
Combination of factors. Screening for cancer and various remedies for disease allow us to live longer. We're not necessarily healthier but the advancement in medical science is probably the greatest factor.

No one has ever done a study on current quality of life. I don't even know if it's something we can really quantify.
It would be an interesting and complex study. Much of it would have to be on the current state of the economy since it really does rule over the lives of the general public. Looking at the current state of the world, methinks that quality of life is on the decline. And that would coincide with the depletion of the middle class and gap between the poor and the rich growing.
 

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truth is if it wasnt for the engineered food and the development of packaging a lot of us wouldnt survive past the age of 15, so it really doesnt matter of some of us die of cancer at 50. As for quality of life, we can qualify by asking those less fortunate than us. Hence my "spoiled" comment. But yes we have a lot to improve on in matters of waste and conservation.
First, genetically engineered foods have only been on the market for under a decade. Certainly, people in America were not dying of starvation prior to 15 years of life before engineered food. If you were referring to the rest of the world... well children still die of starvation every day even though the US produces massive quantities of cheap food.

Secondly, I am a firm believer that we base our quality of living (nationally, worldwide, etc) on how the poorest of our society live. When I say "we" referring to society I include them too.

When you've got families subsisting off the dollar menus of various fast food venues because they can't afford fresh produce, that has to show you there is a serious problem with the way food is subsidized in our country.

And not to mention the effect our subsidies have had on other commodity crop markets around the world. Though I could go into it. ;)
 

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Combination of factors. Screening for cancer and various remedies for disease allow us to live longer. We're not necessarily healthier but the advancement in medical science is probably the greatest factor.



It would be an interesting and complex study. Much of it would have to be on the current state of the economy since it really does rule over the lives of the general public. Looking at the current state of the world, methinks that quality of life is on the decline. And that would coincide with the depletion of the middle class and gap between the poor and the rich growing.
It would have to consider socio-economic factors, the economy itself, medicine consumption (whether it's for health, performance, etc) and probably a bunch I can't think of right now. I find that sort of thing interesting.
 

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First, genetically engineered foods have only been on the market for under a decade. Certainly, people in America were not dying of starvation prior to 15 years of life before engineered food. If you were referring to the rest of the world... well children still die of starvation every day even though the US produces massive quantities of cheap food.

Secondly, I am a firm believer that we base our quality of living (nationally, worldwide, etc) on how the poorest of our society live. When I say "we" referring to society I include them too.

When you've got families subsisting off the dollar menus of various fast food venues because they can't afford fresh produce, that has to show you there is a serious problem with the way food is subsidized in our country.

And not to mention the effect our subsidies have had on other commodity crop markets around the world. Though I could go into it. ;)


i have seen that movie, and i think you re referring to the mexican family who goes to mc donalds for all their dinners. I know of people who have lived for under what those folks are making and cooked and lived off one chicken for a week as a whole family and all grew up to becoming affluent successful people. you d have to be a complete moron to think that constantly eating mc d's food isnt bad for you.
 

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i have seen that movie, and i think you re referring to the mexican family who goes to mc donalds for all their dinners. I know of people who have lived for under what those folks are making and cooked and lived off one chicken for a week as a whole family and all grew up to becoming affluent successful people. you d have to be a complete moron to think that constantly eating mc d's food isnt bad for you.
Obviously.

The portrayal of the Mexican family isn't far from the truth. I grew up with families that ate fast food more than 4 times a week(yeah I grew up in that part of town). Part of the reason they do it is time, and the rest is cost. If you're poor and working 2+ plus jobs to feed your family, its way to easy to convince yourself that you don't have time or money to keep your family healthy. Unfortunately, this is an all too common occurrence in our country as can be shown by the rising rates of childhood obesity and diabetes. Sure part of it is self control and parenting but a lot of it is the way our nation subsidizes food. The current subsidies we live under haven't been changed since the 1970's and the world has changed a lot since then. Crops like soybeans and corn aren't the same crops they were then.
 

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you re still very young, you have a huge margin for error, do whatever you want
Absolutely true, but I need to start making a career plan at work and don't know what to write :sergio:

I'm thinking about trying once again something related to operations but most plans are in another cities which are complete shitholes
 

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