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There's a lot more to it than that. C4C wasn't completely about sales.

It had nothing what-so-ever to do with getting more used cars on the road and eliminating high mpg vehicles and reducing the front end factory costs. This single goal of the CRC was to increase debt. That's sarcasm mind you.

As for the real issue: If your gas guzzler has your bank broken, get a new car. If not then I agree you should rock your ride until it's rocked. Speaking of rocked rides I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to get a replacement whip in the next 2-3 years.
It's no surprise that the Ford Explorer was the #1 vehicle turned in. So you are correct -- there was more to it than pure economics of the auto industry.

But I have to imagine there are much cheaper and more effective ways to impact fuel efficiency and auto pollution.
 

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It's no surprise that the Ford Explorer was the #1 vehicle turned in. So you are correct -- there was more to it than pure economics of the auto industry.

But I have to imagine there are much cheaper and more effective ways to impact fuel efficiency and auto pollution.
That's why I said it was a good idea in theory and that I thought the specifics weren't really thought out.

I'm not saying that the program was successful in any way.

Anyways. I'm off to work. See you's later.
 

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The local regional subway system, BART, developed an expensive line extension to the far eastern suburbs of Livermore, etc., a couple years back. Some economists showed that, for the number of riders, we could have given each a new BMW for the next 10 years and saved a lot of cash on top of that.

And here I am a huge supporter of public transit. But there are always cheaper ways of doing things, and entirely wasteful ones.
 

Bjerknes

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There's a lot more to it than that. C4C wasn't completely about sales.

It had nothing what-so-ever to do with getting more used cars on the road and eliminating high mpg vehicles and reducing the front end factory costs. This single goal of the CRC was to increase debt. That's sarcasm mind you.

As for the real issue: If your gas guzzler has your bank broken, get a new car. If not then I agree you should rock your ride until it's rocked. Speaking of rocked rides I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to get a replacement whip in the next 2-3 years.
It was mostly about boosting sales. Since crude prices have come down 50% off their 2008 highs, people are not as concerned with gas prices.

Instead of buying a new car, carpool or take mass transit. People need to save right now.

The major problem with the economy is the debt bubble, and once that goes KABOOM , the last thing one needs to worry about is gas prices.
 

Martin

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I'm sure even then it might be too long.

icεmαή;2121018 said:
Martin, have you worked on HP-UX?
No, but I have on AIX. That was bad enough. Stay away from proprietary garbage, it's always always trash. Especially these ancient Unices kept on life support, all the tools are completely outdated and anything you wanna do is a pain. Once the customer buys the product the vendor has no incentive to keep working on the product. Unlike Linux where people work on stuff they themselves use and wanna use.
 

icemaη

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I'm sure even then it might be too long.



No, but I have on AIX. That was bad enough. Stay away from proprietary garbage, it's always always trash. Especially these ancient Unices kept on life support, all the tools are completely outdated and anything you wanna do is a pain. Once the customer buys the product the vendor has no incentive to keep working on the product. Unlike Linux where people work on stuff they themselves use and wanna use.
I know what you mean, but I have to work on that sadly. I wanted to get a decent tool to get some memory stats, I searched around the net and didn't find anything worth trying.
 

Martin

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icεmαή;2121028 said:
I know what you mean, but I have to work on that sadly. I wanted to get a decent tool to get some memory stats, I searched around the net and didn't find anything worth trying.
On AIX from what I recall you do get the GNU tools as an "optional" extra but they're completely ancient. Back in 2005 when I was sitting on AIX versions of make and sed and so on were 5 years old I think.

And silly me, I had to try and build a linux application on it. No big deal right, Unix is Unix? Not a chance, first I had to bring perl and grep and friends to more recent versions before I could even build it. But I couldn't even get that far.

Does vmstat exist on HP-UX? I know it's not fantastic but when you got nothing better..
 

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