Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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What annoys me is people taking these occasions to denigrate a person they never liked to begin with. Some jackass on a forum is saying MJ is a child molester with a great air of indignation. But if you weigh up MJ's achievements in life to that of this guy, it's a blowout. You didn't touch any kids, good for you. You also didn't do squat worth talking about.

I don't know if MJ did or did not do what he was accused of. But if he did, then i don't care if he was a great singer, a pedophile is a pedophile, if he wasn't so famous people would be saying what a terrible person he was.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,383
I got sick :sad:

Woke up this morning with my body overheating and though I felt better in the daytime I'm burning up again.
Take a long hot bath and a bunch of vitamins.

Yea me too. Somewhere around 4 I opened the first beer.



I love Scandinavian summer. 27 degrees and a soft breeze. I miss the Lebanese heat in July and August sometimes though.
Do you miss the humidity of Lebanon though?
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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I don't know if MJ did or did not do what he was accused of. But if he did, then i don't care if he was a great singer, a pedophile is a pedophile, if he wasn't so famous people would be saying what a terrible person he was.
I'm guessing you're not a fan of his music?

Suppose MJ was a pedophile and he also cured cancer. Still a terrible person? Suppose he cured all diseases and ended poverty. Still a terrible person?
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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I don't know if MJ did or did not do what he was accused of. But if he did, then i don't care if he was a great singer, a pedophile is a pedophile, if he wasn't so famous people would be saying what a terrible person he was.
He was acquitted, so it is unfair to hold those allegations against him.

For the record, I am entirely indifferent to Michael Jackson and his death.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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I'm guessing you're not a fan of his music?

Suppose MJ was a pedophile and he also cured cancer. Still a terrible person? Suppose he cured all diseases and ended poverty. Still a terrible person?
Let's distinguish between somebody that is aroused by kids and acted upon it, and someone who is aroused by kids and did not act upon it.


I will answer your question with a question. What if Fritz(or whatever that Austrian guy was called) cured all diseases. Would he be a terrible person in your eyes?
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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He was acquitted, so it is unfair to hold those allegations against him.

For the record, I am entirely indifferent to Michael Jackson and his death.
Yes, read the bolded part again.


Famous people with loads of money can always hire talented lawyers to bail them out. So i don't think him being acquitted necessarily means he's innocent.

Of course i don't know, neither am i implying that i know if he did it or not. Which is why i will not make any judgments on him.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Let's distinguish between somebody that is aroused by kids and acted upon it, and someone who is aroused by kids and did not act upon it.
Relevance?

I will answer your question with a question. What if Fritz(or whatever that Austrian guy was called) cured all diseases. Would he be a terrible person in your eyes?
You don't like answering questions, do you? The whole point of the question is to put you in a position where your opinion seems absurd. I have already stated my rationale, so it's obvious what I think about this. You prefer to weasel yourself out of answering.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Relevance?



You don't like answering questions, do you? The whole point of the question is to put you in a position where your opinion seems absurd. I have already stated my rationale, so it's obvious what I think about this. You prefer to weasel yourself out of answering.
Nope, i used your same rationale to put you in a position where your rationale gets challenged.


Why don't you answer my question so that i can be completely clear on where you stand on this. If that Austrian guy found a cure to all the worlds diseases, would you still consider him a bad guy.
 

Byrone

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Dec 19, 2005
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Relevance?



You don't like answering questions, do you? The whole point of the question is to put you in a position where your opinion seems absurd. I have already stated my rationale, so it's obvious what I think about this. You prefer to weasel yourself out of answering.
Precisely besides his original username was Fred Weasley.:D
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
56,913
Nope, i used your same rationale to put you in a position where your rationale gets challenged.


Why don't you answer my question so that i can be completely clear on where you stand on this. If that Austrian guy found a cure to all the worlds diseases, would you still consider him a bad guy.
I said it before in this very thread. The only moral judgment that makes any sense at all is to weigh a person's actions throughout life. What impedes understanding most is the urge to demonize and dehumanize people we don't like. Hitler was not a monster, he was a human. He did some good things and some bad things. History judges that his negative actions far outweigh the positive ones. But that doesn't mean he never did anything good in his entire life and that there weren't people indebted to him for those good things. If you ask George Bush's family they will say that W is a wonderful warm person who is a highly valued member of their family, that he was selfless, that he helped others (I'm making this up). That doesn't mean he is judged as a good person in the eyes of the world, given how most of the world was emphatically opposed to many of his actions.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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I said it before in this very thread. The only moral judgment that makes any sense at all is to weigh a person's actions throughout life. What impedes understanding most is the urge to demonize and dehumanize people we don't like. Hitler was not a monster, he was a human. He did some good things and some bad things. History judges that his negative actions far outweigh the positive ones. But that doesn't mean he never did anything good in his entire life and that there weren't people indebted to him for those good things. If you ask George Bush's family they will say that W is a wonderful warm person who is a highly valued member of their family, that he was selfless, that he helped others (I'm making this up). That doesn't mean he is judged as a good person in the eyes of the world, given how most of the world was emphatically opposed to many of his actions.
Oh yes of course. Even Stalin, Saddam, Pol Pot and Mao must have done some good in their lives. That's beyond the point though, sometimes a single evil act can outweigh all the good things you did in life.
 

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