Bisco

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what should this bill be bringing as a change to the old system?? to be honest i dont know what will happen to the medical insurance companies if they pass out a universal medical service bec that would pretty much cancel out the need for these firms bec u will just go to the hospital and be attended too by the dr's there.
 

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The Americans are you for the bill that's just passed or against it?
Don't know. Depends on how much it actually costs and whether or not its a ploy to stick citizens in underground prisons or not.

Insurance coverage for me was shitty and expensive before the bill passed, I don't think it's likely to change now.
 

Ford Prefect

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Kyle why are you strongly against it? We have Universal health care in the UK and it works fine, theres issues with the system, but what system doesnt have issues? I think its kind of pathetic that your gvt isn't willing to go the whole way and put a full NHS in place. Or would you prefer those most at risk to go uncared for?
 

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Kyle why are you strongly against it? We have Universal health care in the UK and it works fine, theres issues with the system, but what system doesnt have issues? I think its kind of pathetic that your gvt isn't willing to go the whole way and put a full NHS in place. Or would you prefer those most at risk to go uncared for?
Cost and abortion are the two biggest reasons for people to oppose the bill.


Right now the US is in it's largest deficit ever and people are leery of committing cash the nation doesn't have to an idea that is unsure. In the past, programs like medicare and medicaid have spiraled out of control as far as growing costs. That's my biggest concern about the bill, timing. If we were in a period of economic growth and prosperity most people would gladly support the bill. Since we are not, people are worried and scared about the economic future. And rightly so.

Then there's the abortion thing. It was the major issue in the House, which was surprising. People don't want abortion to be covered under the plan. But churches get tax exemptions so those people can fuck off. Personally I'm not for abortion, but I am pro-Choice.
 

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Kyle why are you strongly against it? We have Universal health care in the UK and it works fine, theres issues with the system, but what system doesnt have issues? I think its kind of pathetic that your gvt isn't willing to go the whole way and put a full NHS in place. Or would you prefer those most at risk to go uncared for?
What does the success of Britian's plan have anything to do with this? This is America we are talking about not a country where the main concern is dental coverage:D
 

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Cost and abortion are the two biggest reasons for people to oppose the bill.


Right now the US is in it's largest deficit ever and people are leery of committing cash the nation doesn't have to an idea that is unsure. In the past, programs like medicare and medicaid have spiraled out of control as far as growing costs. That's my biggest concern about the bill, timing. If we were in a period of economic growth and prosperity most people would gladly support the bill. Since we are not, people are worried and scared about the economic future. And rightly so.

Then there's the abortion thing. It was the major issue in the House, which was surprising. People don't want abortion to be covered under the plan. But churches get tax exemptions so those people can fuck off. Personally I'm not for abortion, but I am pro-Choice.
Abortion isnt covered under our NHS and i did not realise it was part of contention. The way our system works is that a lot of things still have to be paid for if you are a working adult - ie dental, eyecare, prescriptions. Medical treatmeant & care are what is mostly provided. Abortions are considered a private medical practise and if you could have a system that ran like that would it be more accepted. I am too pro choice, but i dont want to force women into abortion clinics alla;




What does the success of Britian's plan have anything to do with this? This is America we are talking about not a country where the main concern is dental coverage:D
very funny :shifty:

The reason i suggested that is because we have demonstrated how it can be made to work, we introduced our NHS in the time of the two world wars and it has been three three/four economic recessions. If it is a prooved model that works, then i see no reason why your gvt wouldn't at least look at trying to have universal healthcare.
 

Bjerknes

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Right now the US is in it's largest deficit ever and people are leery of committing cash the nation doesn't have to an idea that is unsure. In the past, programs like medicare and medicaid have spiraled out of control as far as growing costs. That's my biggest concern about the bill, timing. If we were in a period of economic growth and prosperity most people would gladly support the bill. Since we are not, people are worried and scared about the economic future. And rightly so.
That's been my issue since day one of these health care bills.
 

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Abortion isnt covered under our NHS and i did not realise it was part of contention. The way our system works is that a lot of things still have to be paid for if you are a working adult - ie dental, eyecare, prescriptions. Medical treatmeant & care are what is mostly provided. Abortions are considered a private medical practise and if you could have a system that ran like that would it be more accepted. I am too pro choice, but i dont want to force women into abortion clinics alla;
I don't know if it actually covers abortion, just that the language doesn't prevent the coverage. The last ditch effort of the right wing was to revert to the abortion argument. Someone even yelled "baby killer" at a Congressman last night during the session. It was a minor issue, blown up to be a major issue as always. Congress would rather debate morals instead of concentrating on important issues like cost of the bill, constutionality of the bill, and whether or not it actually helps the American people.
 

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That's been my issue since day one of these health care bills.
But is this not the same money thats going in just being in a different way?

When you guys say that you Americans are worried about how this will affect them during the recesion, do you mean middle-upper America and the lower classes (majority) of America?

Im not criticising i am just synthesising an idea.
 

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But is this not the same money thats going in just being in a different way?

When you guys say that you Americans are worried about how this will affect them during the recesion, do you mean middle-upper America and the lower classes (majority) of America?

Im not criticising i am just synthesising an idea.
It's more about the increasing deficit lowering strength of the national economy in the long run, than it is about the short term affect on the individual. (Ironic that a socialist argument, is the main opposition to socialist, fascist, communist bill)
 

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