What Are You Doing Right Now? (234 Viewers)

[The Curr]

That looks pretty decent

Why IT anyway?

Meh, to be honest, I had to do something and there wasn't many courses that interested me at all. IT was an area I could actually see myself in in the future unlike pretty much everything else I considered.

That looks good. Have you applied already? Or waiting for a responce?

I've applied but the way the system works over here I won't know if I got in or not until after I get the results of my exams. Exams are in June, I'll get the results in August.

 

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[Martin]

Meh, to be honest, I had to do something and there wasn't many courses that interested me at all. IT was an area I could actually see myself in in the future unlike pretty much everything else I considered.

Not the best way to choose but that'll work I guess I had a friend in college who did the whole thing somehow without ever learning to code. We'd be doing assignments and he'd sit there with me loyally, for several hours, watching me do the assignment. I don't know how he passed his exams, but once he graduated he immediately enrolled in some business school or something.

 

[swag]

dude, it's me. up your game no Ze jokes

I was actually going for more of a high concept reference to Matthew Barney's (Bjork's boyfriend) Cremaster Cycle.

 

[Martin]

I was actually going for more of a high concept reference to Matthew Barney's (Bjork's boyfriend) Cremaster Cycle.

there must be some award for most bizarre post here right?

 

[swag]

And it didn't even reference something Bjork wore at the Oscars...

 

[Martin]

so Greg what's the big cool thing to do in management that makes you guys tick?

 

[Red]

We'd be doing assignments and he'd sit there with me loyally, for several hours, watching me do the assignment.

I used to be like that guy when I was doing computing at school.

 

[The Curr]

Not the best way to choose but that'll work I guess I had a friend in college who did the whole thing somehow without ever learning to code. We'd be doing assignments and he'd sit there with me loyally, for several hours, watching me do the assignment. I don't know how he passed his exams, but once he graduated he immediately enrolled in some business school or something.

How the hell did he pass the exams?

And why didn't he just drop out and go to the business school?

 

[Martin]

How the hell did he pass the exams?

And why didn't he just drop out and go to the business school?

I guess he knew enough to pass the exams, but he never got past just learning it for the exam and then forgetting.

We did one long project (6 months) in a group of 4 with him on the team, and he wrote like all the documentation for us, it was brilliant Have one guy take the bullet and do all the most boring and tedious work

 

[swag]

so Greg what's the big cool thing to do in management that makes you guys tick?

Depends on the person. For some it can be a power trip. For many, it's the ability to better effect and change the things that always frustrated you as a developer. For me, it's more working with bright engineering (and non-engineering) specialists without having to be one full-time myself, and synthesizing greater order out of the sum of its parts.

 

[Firestarter]

I've been meaning to go there for five years now. But I've since learned last year that it's become a hip college tourist beach party hangout, so I'm afraid I have to put those plans on ice until all the hype blows over.

I know what you mean, it's more 'known' now than as compared to before, but, it's a great feeling where you go to a relatively unknown location which is nice, and then see it expand. Unfortunately I haven't experienced that yet, I know one guy who's going there are the whole South America this summer... lucky.

(My reasons for going was that it's more of a laid back college town-type area, more relaxed than São Paulo and Rio, and Santa Catarina is loaded with Azores immigrant influence, which is my wife's background.)

So basically you went there so that you can have a change from your wife, hahaha. Tsk,tsk,tsk. Brazil seems like greatness though, I need to go there one day.

It's mind-blowing.

Mind-blasting, fun-tastic!

I've applied but the way the system works over here I won't know if I got in or not until after I get the results of my exams. Exams are in June, I'll get the results in August.

Ahhhh I see, my exams also start in just under three weeks, not looking forward to that. My friend applied to the University of Glasgow I think, I don't know if he got in or not though.

 

[.zero]

just got back from lunch

 

[Red]

Ahhhh I see, my exams also start in just under three weeks, not looking forward to that. My friend applied to the University of Glasgow I think, I don't know if he got in or not though.

Why would anyone want to live in Glasgow?

 

[Bjerknes]

yea, this is burke on andy's shit, yo, what you guys doing in the shit for real, niggaz?

Here, im going to play andy:

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FEMA CAMPS
ITS THE CIA
ITS THE US GOVERNMENT
ISRAEL!
JEWS
INDEED
BARCELONA HAS GOOD FOOTBALL

 

[Firestarter]

Why would anyone want to live in Glasgow?

I think he already lives there, I don't know, he lived in the Caribbean before I think he's based in Glasgow now itself, atleast that's what I assume. How's it there? Oh, and don't ask me what football team he supports..

 

[Martin]

Depends on the person. For some it can be a power trip. For many, it's the ability to better effect and change the things that always frustrated you as a developer. For me, it's more working with bright engineering (and non-engineering) specialists without having to be one full-time myself, and synthesizing greater order out of the sum of its parts.

You know it's funny when I hear people talk about managing and from a coder's point of view you always have this feeling that these people not only don't know what's really being done, but they don't understand it either. And you should take that with the absolute right amount of bias that it deserves. But it's something about people who call themselves "project manager" that just makes you feel like they're that guy who says "I'm a people person, I'm good at working with people!!!"

But then I sort of drift a bit cause if there's a project I'm on that doesn't have a definite leadership I just claim that role pretty much uncontested and play that part on top of coding. And I kinda love that power trip

 

[Red]

I think he already lives there, I don't know, he lived in the Caribbean before I think he's based in Glasgow now itself, atleast that's what I assume. How's it there? Oh, and don't ask me what football team he supports..

I'm somewhat biased, but I find Glagow and Glaswegians very unpleasant.

 

[The Curr]

I'm somewhat biased, but I find Glagow and Glaswegians very unpleasant.

What do you think of Edinburgh? In my experience it's a nice spot.

 

[Red]

What do you think of Edinburgh? In my experience it's a nice spot.

Edinburgh is good.

Nice place, nice atmosphere.

 

[swag]

You know it's funny when I hear people talk about managing and from a coder's point of view you always have this feeling that these people not only don't know what's really being done, but they don't understand it either. And you should take that with the absolute right amount of bias that it deserves. But it's something about people who call themselves "project manager" that just makes you feel like they're that guy who says "I'm a people person, I'm good at working with people!!!"

But then I sort of drift a bit cause if there's a project I'm on that doesn't have a definite leadership I just claim that role pretty much uncontested and play that part on top of coding. And I kinda love that power trip

The deterministic world of working with code and packages and classes is very, very different from the non-deterministic world of working with people working on code (or other non-code business functions).

I think a lot of developers make the mistake that management is a natural extension of being a decent developer. It's a whole other animal -- it's like having a completely different job. Half the people I know who get into it hate it and back out. You have to completely pervert your perspective, as it's no longer about you or what you get done, it's about everyone else and what they get done. That's a huge mental leap many don't successfully make, IMO. In a lot of ways, I believe you have to kill your old job as a developer before you can truly start a new one as a legitimately effective manager. Riding the fence is half-assed.

So I guess the counter-perspective is also true. A lot of developers don't really know what's being done at a meta level once-removed, and most, quite frankly, would rather not know!