Dostoevsky

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Or you just hate your mother. Whichever makes most sense.

To be fair both of my parents are doctors and many of my family members are too. That makes me realise doctors are just normal people and do make mistakes. In fact I have a niece who I consider to be of average intelligence and she's almost a doctor too, so yeah, my confidence is shaky :D.
Same goes for other professions too but majority are passive enough so people don't take that into account.

A bad lawyer will make you lose your case, child, put you in jail etc.
A bad engineer will make a shit car, plane etc.

Many people can make your life horrible or even kill you passivly. Same goes for doctors who might do it in a more direct way. But end result is pretty much the same: end.

It's also quite sad that nowadays you get to finish studies a lot easier than in the past. It used to represent something but today it's just a piece of paper to find a different job.
 

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Seven

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Same goes for other professions too but majority are passive enough so people don't take that into account.

A bad lawyer will make you lose your case, child, put you in jail etc.
A bad engineer will make a shit car, plane etc.

Many people can make your life horrible or even kill you passivly. Same goes for doctors who might do it in a more direct way. But end result is pretty much the same: end.

It's also quite sad that nowadays you get to finish studies a lot easier than in the past. It used to represent something but today it's just a piece of paper to find a different job.

Sure. But the thing with doctors is that their mistakes can be very costly. Like you said, they might even kill you in a pretty direct way. For a lawyer arguably the worst thing that can happen is an innocent client going to jail. But let's be honest, even if the lawyer fucks up completely, most of the time a decent justice system should be constructed in such a way that an innocent person will not go to jail anyway, regardless of his lawyer's poor work.

Engineers can kill people in a pretty direct way too, but I imagine that usually their work is checked by other engineers. Seems kind of dangerous to rely on just one engineer to build a bridge for example.

As for it being easy to finish studies.. It really depends on which degree. You don't just become a doctor overnight. It involves brutally hard work. But yeah, if you get a degree in history or HR or something like that, let's be honest, it's pretty fucking easy.
 

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Sure. But the thing with doctors is that their mistakes can be very costly. Like you said, they might even kill you in a pretty direct way. For a lawyer arguably the worst thing that can happen is an innocent client going to jail. But let's be honest, even if the lawyer fucks up completely, most of the time a decent justice system should be constructed in such a way that an innocent person will not go to jail anyway, regardless of his lawyer's poor work.

Engineers can kill people in a pretty direct way too, but I imagine that usually their work is checked by other engineers. Seems kind of dangerous to rely on just one engineer to build a bridge for example.

As for it being easy to finish studies.. It really depends on which degree. You don't just become a doctor overnight. It involves brutally hard work. But yeah, if you get a degree in history or HR or something like that, let's be honest, it's pretty fucking easy.
Fair enough.

But yeah, I was talking about other fields of studies, not doctors. Even here studying to become one is a nightmare. But man, what I see nowadays... so many peope waving with their diplomas and degrees, it's quite horrible. Ever since the Bologna process took its part the education became horrible and you can see literally anybody finishing and getting BA and even MA in almost every field, as long as you're not retarded towards some area like maths, so you obviously avoid it. It's also sad how people expect you to finish something, so even when you meet someone one of the first questions is going to be 'what did you study'. Really? So often I see people with high school diplomas being judged and looked upon like they are retards or something while in majority of the cases they are even the smarter person and with a brighter mind. Only when I finished studies I was like 'wait... so THIS is it?' and it literally meant nothing to me. Sure, I was happy I was done with it, but I never brag about it nor I ever mention it unless somebody asks me (which is quite often sadly).

Such a pity. People are being judged by diplomas and by their Facebook/Instagram account.
 

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Sure. But the thing with doctors is that their mistakes can be very costly. Like you said, they might even kill you in a pretty direct way. For a lawyer arguably the worst thing that can happen is an innocent client going to jail. But let's be honest, even if the lawyer fucks up completely, most of the time a decent justice system should be constructed in such a way that an innocent person will not go to jail anyway, regardless of his lawyer's poor work.

Engineers can kill people in a pretty direct way too, but I imagine that usually their work is checked by other engineers. Seems kind of dangerous to rely on just one engineer to build a bridge for example.

As for it being easy to finish studies.. It really depends on which degree. You don't just become a doctor overnight. It involves brutally hard work. But yeah, if you get a degree in history or HR or something like that, let's be honest, it's pretty fucking easy.
How hard is law school in Belgium? I found law to be extremely easy in University but it's a whole different animal when you start practicing.

And yeah, you need to put in a cunt load of hardwork to become a doctor.

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Fair enough.

But yeah, I was talking about other fields of studies, not doctors. Even here studying to become one is a nightmare. But man, what I see nowadays... so many peope waving with their diplomas and degrees, it's quite horrible. Ever since the Bologna process took its part the education became horrible and you can see literally anybody finishing and getting BA and even MA in almost every field, as long as you're not retarded towards some area like maths, so you obviously avoid it. It's also sad how people expect you to finish something, so even when you meet someone one of the first questions is going to be 'what did you study'. Really? So often I see people with high school diplomas being judged and looked upon like they are retards or something while in majority of the cases they are even the smarter person and with a brighter mind. Only when I finished studies I was like 'wait... so THIS is it?' and it literally meant nothing to me. Sure, I was happy I was done with it, but I never brag about it nor I ever mention it unless somebody asks me (which is quite often sadly).

Such a pity. People are being judged by diplomas and by their Facebook/Instagram account.
People should be judged based on their life goals and what they're doing to achieve them.

Some people are not meant to go to university and that's totally fine.
 

Seven

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How hard is law school in Belgium? I found law to be extremely easy in University but it's a whole different animal when you start practicing.

It's easy if you're good at studying and writing papers. Mostly it's a ton of volume to study. I don't think it's the most difficult education, but it is one of the few where I actually had to put work in. It's much more complex when you're actually a lawyer though.
 

Seven

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Fair enough.

But yeah, I was talking about other fields of studies, not doctors. Even here studying to become one is a nightmare. But man, what I see nowadays... so many peope waving with their diplomas and degrees, it's quite horrible. Ever since the Bologna process took its part the education became horrible and you can see literally anybody finishing and getting BA and even MA in almost every field, as long as you're not retarded towards some area like maths, so you obviously avoid it. It's also sad how people expect you to finish something, so even when you meet someone one of the first questions is going to be 'what did you study'. Really? So often I see people with high school diplomas being judged and looked upon like they are retards or something while in majority of the cases they are even the smarter person and with a brighter mind. Only when I finished studies I was like 'wait... so THIS is it?' and it literally meant nothing to me. Sure, I was happy I was done with it, but I never brag about it nor I ever mention it unless somebody asks me (which is quite often sadly).

Such a pity. People are being judged by diplomas and by their Facebook/Instagram account.

The sad part is that a lot of people derive their identity from what they studied or what they do for a living. I guess that's also why so many people are against a future without or with much less work. They think they lose their relevance. They'd have to find stuff to do and are not comfortable doing so.

Personally I might have studied law and I might be a lawyer for a living, but I don't see myself as a lawyer, it's not my identity. When I'm on holiday I easily forget about the entire thing.

People should treat what they studied or what they do as a skill, not as something that they are.
 

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I don't give a shit about what you studied if i meet you for the first time, since i don't think it's an indicator for who you are or how smart you are, i'll just talk to you for 15 minutes about what's going on in the world. That's usually enough to at least get an idea of the Person i'm talking to.
 

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The real question is where was it deposited from?

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I don't give a shit about what you studied if i meet you for the first time, since i don't think it's an indicator for who you are or how smart you are, i'll just talk to you for 15 minutes about what's going on in the world. That's usually enough to at least get an idea of the Person i'm talking to.
I can assess a person in about ~5mins of interaction

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The sad part is that a lot of people derive their identity from what they studied or what they do for a living. I guess that's also why so many people are against a future without or with much less work. They think they lose their relevance. They'd have to find stuff to do and are not comfortable doing so.

Personally I might have studied law and I might be a lawyer for a living, but I don't see myself as a lawyer, it's not my identity. When I'm on holiday I easily forget about the entire thing.

People should treat what they studied or what they do as a skill, not as something that they are.
But as...?
 

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