Weston “Royale Avec Fromage” McKennie (58 Viewers)

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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If he renews for same salary instead of double that he was demanding, that's actually a case where this tactic worked. Since he was refusing transfer offers like Aston Villa and others.



But let's see first if this news is from reliable sources. But it was allways contract issue. Because on footballing level, Mckennie defenitely suits the mobile 8s moving into channel approach he wants us to play like.
Whether it worked or not depends on who you ask. Sure, the player stays and Jungtoli doesn't have to give out additional money. But what about team morale? What about having a team ready for the season? Season starts Monday and we still have people frozen out and probably not ready to play unnecessarily.

Why did Fagioli get a rise by the way?
 

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Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
Not necessarily. It could be that McKennie wanted too much money initially, and now reality had set in for him that his best bet is to accept jj offer. Now don't get me wrong i still think giuntolis style is too abrasive.
And I get it, but you dont reinstall a player with 2 days left to begin the tournament, and most important you dont go out and say "this player is out of the coach's plans" and then he agrees to reduce his wages and now suddenly he talks to the coah and he is "in his plans"...

This only would proves that there are no "Motta plans" there are "Giuntoli's plans"
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,489
Are we thinking about the same player and same tactics?

Motta's tactics demand precise passing, possession rotation, and first touch from almost every player but ESPECIALLY the midfielders and the CAM because with quick touch distribution and passing poor first touch or poor passing is literally the death of that tactic.

Weston has an awful first touch and has awful passing outside of his crossing last season. This guy regularly brutalized our midfield possession and was a common culprit in us losing possession. How the fuck is he going to get anything done in Motta's system much less contribute to the cycling of possession using quick touches to breakdown opponents?

But hey I'm an American and a Juventus supporter so if he can suddenly become a totally different player than the one we've seen the last three years I'm all for it. I want nothing less than to see these dudes succeed.

We talking about different aspects my man, he doesn't need to be masterful passer, Mckennie is our best CM for off the ball movements and penetrative runs into the box for past years. He thrives on it, that final 3rds action is key in Mottas system. I watched Bologna , and the drilled movement was just as key as the passing.

And half their players weren't good passers, but they were drilled to play on basic first time short passes and move in synch. 1-2 of the mids were expert passers, but rest were mainly athletic players running alot into space and playing simple passes. And do coordinated runs into the box. This is something that suits Mckennies skillset.


I dont care wether he stays or goes, but if he does, IMO he will suit Mottas tasks of a nr 8. Similar way to how Ferguson did.

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And I get it, but you dont reinstall a player with 2 days left to begin the tournament, and most important you dont go out and say "this player is out of the coach's plans" and then he agrees to reduce his wages and now suddenly he talks to the coah and he is "in his plans"...

This only would proves that there are no "Motta plans" there are "Giuntoli's plans"

That's the thing people don't get. Players with expiring contracts have very little to do with Motta or football reasons. It's club mandated decision to freeze them out because they don't wanna renew or be sold. So their hand is being forced.

This is Mckennie and Chiesa.


The others who don't have expiring contract are the ones who Motta actively frozen out for football reasons. Motta does not want Rugani, De Shittio, Kostic and Arthur because he doesn't think they good enough.


Its not hard to read between lines in terms of who club is trying to force their hands for financial reasons and who they feel aren't just good enough.

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Whether it worked or not depends on who you ask. Sure, the player stays and Jungtoli doesn't have to give out additional money. But what about team morale? What about having a team ready for the season? Season starts Monday and we still have people frozen out and probably not ready to play unnecessarily.

Why did Fagioli get a rise by the way?

These are professionals, I doubt it effects team morale because they know this is a bussiness first mindset both for the players and the club, so they know this dispute is about contract issues and being forced out for financial reasons. We seen big clubs be callous like this for decades so it's not new. So the players themselves know it. They used to it. I mean Motta told Soule he wants him to stay and likes him, but he still left for financial reasons and player understood and accepted it. They just move on to next best opportunity financially and carer wise.

You seriously think it effects them that much? If you think that, why did Mckennie have his best season last season? Because he went through worse last summer lol Club took away his parking space and locker room space and told him gtfo all summer. He stayed and still hanged in there and started playing good.



I agree its silly to let it drag on so long, but I doubt they are that worried about the first 1-2 weeks of the season like we are as fans. They used to absences or slow starting players fitness wise, so they calculate they can do without this or that for that short period until window closes.

But yeah I agree it's odd this time, mainly because of the massive quantity of players they doing this to same time. Usually it's 1-3 players not a third of the squad.
 
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RKid1

Senior Member
Jun 29, 2020
818
What do you in contract negotiation when it's expiring in this case?

Earlier in year they offered him same salary as he has, he said no wants double. They wanted to sell him because of that refusal. He then declined transfer offers, or demanded doubled salary from interested clubs. And because of that they froze him out and trained separately.


That last approach seemed to worked since now news is he wants to go back to initial renewal offer on same salary?


Lets assume all the above happend to the best of our knowledge. What would you done differently?
Let's recap the summer
- Leak to the media you don't want him anymore so there are constant stories, many of which trashed his character
- Try to include him in the Douglas Luiz deal, which he rejects
- Ban him from training with the first time
- Try to unload him to a handful of other clubs all summer with no success
- Let him rejoin the club 3 days before the first game with a rumored 1 year extension
- SUCCESS!!!

This is good player management in your eyes? We're celebrating the failure to sell a player they didnt want and then bringing him back with an extension?
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,489
Let's recap the summer
- Leak to the media you don't want him anymore so there are constant stories, many of which trashed his character
- Try to include him in the Douglas Luiz deal, which he rejects
- Ban him from training with the first time
- Try to unload him to a handful of other clubs all summer with no success
- Let him rejoin the club 3 days before the first game with a rumored 1 year extension
- SUCCESS!!!

This is good player management in your eyes? We're celebrating the failure to sell a player they didnt want and then bringing him back with an extension?
I'm not celebrating it, but I'm trying to understand it. And you left out they started out by offering him extension first in same salary or slightly higher but he declined. The don't want him actions only began after that. That's important distinction.


But what you don't get is this is about asset protection. They see Mckennie as an asset, which they disagree with on contract renewal. So if they can't renew, they will sell him. And if he refuses to be sold they go back on contract renewal, when he realised the open market aren't doubling his salary either.
 

Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
Let's recap the summer
- Leak to the media you don't want him anymore so there are constant stories, many of which trashed his character
- Try to include him in the Douglas Luiz deal, which he rejects
- Ban him from training with the first time
- Try to unload him to a handful of other clubs all summer with no success
- Let him rejoin the club 3 days before the first game with a rumored 1 year extension
- SUCCESS!!!

This is good player management in your eyes? We're celebrating the failure to sell a player they didnt want and then bringing him back with an extension?
I really hate to say it... but I do agree.

Manegement did manage to "win" and made the player extend for less money, but also the way it was handle made fans to hate McK.
 
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kronos

Senior Member
Aug 16, 2011
1,845
We talking about different aspects my man, he doesn't need to be masterful passer, Mckennie is our best CM for off the ball movements and penetrative runs into the box for past years. He thrives on it, that final 3rds action is key in Mottas system is key. I watched Bologna , and the drilled movement was just as key as the passing.

And half their players weren't good passers, but they were drilled to play on basic first time short passes and move in synch. 1-2 of the mids were expert passers, but rest were mainly athletic players running alot into space and playing simple passes. And do coordinated runs into the box. This is something that suits Mckennies skillset.


I dont care wether he stays or goes, but if he does, IMO he will suit Mottas tasks of a nr 8. Similar way to how Ferguson did.

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That's the thing people don't get. Players with expiring contracts have very little to do with Motta or football reasons. It's club mandated decision to freeze them out because they don't wanna renew or be sold. So their hand is being forced.

This is Mckennie and Chiesa.


The others who don't have expiring contract are the ones who Motta actively frozen out for football reasons. Motta does not want Rugani, De Shittio, Kostic and Arthur because he doesn't think they good enough.


Its not hard to read between lines in terms of who club is trying to force their hands for financial reasons and who they feel aren't just good enough.

- - - Updated - - -




These are professionals, I doubt it effects team morale because they know this is a bussiness first mindset both for the players and the club, so they know this dispute is about contract issues and being forced out for financial reasons. We seen big clubs be callous like this for decades so it's not new. So the players themselves know it. They used to it. I mean Motta told Soule he wants him to stay and likes him, but he still left for financial reasons and player understood and accepted it. They just move on to next best opportunity financially and carer wise.

You seriously think it effects them that much? If you think that, why did Mckennie have his best season last season? Because he went through worse last summer lol Club took away his parking space and locker room space and told him gtfo all summer. He stayed and still hanged in there and started playing good.



I agree its silly to let it drag on so long, but I doubt they are that worried about the first 1-2 weeks of the season like we are as fans. They used to absences or slow starting players fitness wise, so they calculate they can do without this or that for that short period until window closes.

But yeah I agree it's odd this time, mainly because of the massive quantity of players they doing this to same time. Usually it's 1-3 players not a third of the squad.
Aint nobody got time for that bro
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,925
We talking about different aspects my man, he doesn't need to be masterful passer, Mckennie is our best CM for off the ball movements and penetrative runs into the box for past years. He thrives on it, that final 3rds action is key in Mottas system is key. I watched Bologna , and the drilled movement was just as key as the passing.

And half their players weren't good passers, but they were drilled to play on basic first time short passes and move in synch. 1-2 of the mids were expert passers, but rest were mainly athletic players running alot into space and playing simple passes. And do coordinated runs into the box. This is something that suits Mckennies skillset.


I dont care wether he stays or goes, but if he does, IMO he will suit Mottas tasks of a nr 8. Similar way to how Ferguson did.

- - - Updated - - -




That's the thing people don't get. Players with expiring contracts have very little to do with Motta or football reasons. It's club mandated decision to freeze them out because they don't wanna renew or be sold. So their hand is being forced.

This is Mckennie and Chiesa.


The others who don't have expiring contract are the ones who Motta actively frozen out for football reasons. Motta does not want Rugani, De Shittio, Kostic and Arthur because he doesn't think they good enough.


Its not hard to read between lines in terms of who club is trying to force their hands for financial reasons and who they feel aren't just good enough.

- - - Updated - - -




These are professionals, I doubt it effects team morale because they know this is a bussiness first mindset both for the players and the club, so they know this dispute is about contract issues and being forced out for financial reasons. We seen big clubs be callous like this for decades so it's not new. So the players themselves know it. They used to it. I mean Motta told Soule he wants him to stay and likes him, but he still left for financial reasons and player understood and accepted it. They just move on to next best opportunity financially and carer wise.

You seriously think it effects them that much? If you think that, why did Mckennie have his best season last season? Because he went through worse last summer lol Club took away his parking space and locker room space and told him gtfo all summer. He stayed and still hanged in there and started playing good.



I agree its silly to let it drag on so long, but I doubt they are that worried about the first 1-2 weeks of the season like we are as fans. They used to absences or slow starting players fitness wise, so they calculate they can do without this or that for that short period until window closes.

But yeah I agree it's odd this time, mainly because of the massive quantity of players they doing this to same time. Usually it's 1-3 players not a third of the squad.
Hi ChatGPT, Osman thinks that he's Cronios. Please tell us what is he trying to say with this longass post.

Chatgpt:
The discussion is about Weston McKennie’s fit in Mota's system, which values off-the-ball movement and simple passing. McKennie excels in these areas, similar to how Ferguson did. Players with expiring contracts, like McKennie and Chiesa, are often sidelined due to financial reasons rather than footballing ones. In contrast, players not renewing contracts are excluded based on their performance. The current situation is notable for the high number of sidelined players, which is unusual.
 

Robee

Senior Member
Jun 21, 2011
7,006
I agree its silly to let it drag on so long, but I doubt they are that worried about the first 1-2 weeks of the season like we are as fans. They used to absences or slow starting players fitness wise, so they calculate they can do without this or that for that short period until window closes.

But yeah I agree it's odd this time, mainly because of the massive quantity of players they doing this to same time. Usually it's 1-3 players not a third of the squad.
Exactly but to me that only confirms they're not even trying to make a scudetto bid which would probably be silly (just like it was last season) but still...

It's 1/3 of the squad because this is a tabula rasa. Reintegrating too many players negates this effect and I'm not very fond of that idea. Miretti def needs a loan 'tho on a personal level. He'll sink away as 6th choice.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,489
Hi ChatGPT, Osman thinks that he's Cronios. Please tell us what is he trying to say with this longass post.
Btw if made one long post it would been on me fully lol.

But that compilation of posts put together in super long 1 is because of how Tuz forum format choose to do it. For some reason

I made 3 different posts quoting different things with minutes between them. But forum set up instead make it 3 different posts, updated them to one post instead :D
 

RKid1

Senior Member
Jun 29, 2020
818
I'm not celebrating it, but I'm trying to understand it. And you left out they started out by offering him extension first in same salary or slightly higher but he declined. The don't want him actions only began after that. That's important distinction.


But what you don't get is this is about asset protection. They see Mckennie as an asset, which they disagree with on contract renewal. So if they can't renew, they will sell him. And if he refuses to be sold they go back on contract renewal, when he realised the open market aren't doubling his salary either.
So that's the process you want to see going forward for contract negotiations where the player and team arent on the same term?
 

Siamak

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Aug 13, 2013
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We talking about different aspects my man, he doesn't need to be masterful passer, Mckennie is our best CM for off the ball movements and penetrative runs into the box for past years. He thrives on it, that final 3rds action is key in Mottas system is key. I watched Bologna , and the drilled movement was just as key as the passing.

And half their players weren't good passers, but they were drilled to play on basic first time short passes and move in synch. 1-2 of the mids were expert passers, but rest were mainly athletic players running alot into space and playing simple passes. And do coordinated runs into the box. This is something that suits Mckennies skillset.


I dont care wether he stays or goes, but if he does, IMO he will suit Mottas tasks of a nr 8. Similar way to how Ferguson did.

- - - Updated - - -




That's the thing people don't get. Players with expiring contracts have very little to do with Motta or football reasons. It's club mandated decision to freeze them out because they don't wanna renew or be sold. So their hand is being forced.

This is Mckennie and Chiesa.


The others who don't have expiring contract are the ones who Motta actively frozen out for football reasons. Motta does not want Rugani, De Shittio, Kostic and Arthur because he doesn't think they good enough.


Its not hard to read between lines in terms of who club is trying to force their hands for financial reasons and who they feel aren't just good enough.

- - - Updated - - -




These are professionals, I doubt it effects team morale because they know this is a bussiness first mindset both for the players and the club, so they know this dispute is about contract issues and being forced out for financial reasons. We seen big clubs be callous like this for decades so it's not new. So the players themselves know it. They used to it. I mean Motta told Soule he wants him to stay and likes him, but he still left for financial reasons and player understood and accepted it. They just move on to next best opportunity financially and carer wise.

You seriously think it effects them that much? If you think that, why did Mckennie have his best season last season? Because he went through worse last summer lol Club took away his parking space and locker room space and told him gtfo all summer. He stayed and still hanged in there and started playing good.



I agree its silly to let it drag on so long, but I doubt they are that worried about the first 1-2 weeks of the season like we are as fans. They used to absences or slow starting players fitness wise, so they calculate they can do without this or that for that short period until window closes.

But yeah I agree it's odd this time, mainly because of the massive quantity of players they doing this to same time. Usually it's 1-3 players not a third of the squad.
I must say you have excellent language skill as someone who don't live in English speaking country and English is not your mother tongue.
I really enjoy reading your posts.
 

Adrian

Senior Member
Jan 31, 2003
6,872
He ain't no world beater but he is versatile and gives his all...which was more than we could say for others last season. I'm ok with him staying, especially when the club has so much more to do in the market.

Our methods look amateurish but the end result turned out ok.
 

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