Wesley Sneijder - AM LC - Galatasaray (19 Viewers)

[Mark]

so, what does this tell us?
furthermore, what does it tell us, that allegri said that he has 5 players (vidal, pirlo, pogba, marchisio, pereyra) for 4 positions (3xCM, CAM)?

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i´m myself because i posted it. i thought it sounded kinda funny but the fact that people make it out to be "an embarrassment" and "us getting trolled" really shows the state the forum is in.
the turkish league is on a break now... of course they are going to take a few days off.

doesn't trust Coman and wants Sneijder.

 

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[Hust]

But but but pereyra is playing in the wrong position, it's not like pereyra hasn't played in midfield when he covered for Vidal again did nothing so where's your God now?

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you try and belittle?

Let me try this again: He did well, as in, making little to no mistakes, when playing in the CM role in a 352 which AGAIN goes back to one of my initial arguments some players were brought with the intention of a different formation than the one we are playing now.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Or, maybe, just maybe, I disagree.

It's not an issue of understanding, because clearly, only you know what's best for Juve even more so than the guys actually bringing the club trophies.

what guys? the same guys that got us 7th place as well? Conte was a big contributor to our treble winning season

 

[JCK]

Romulo was unlucky to get an injury, you can't blame Marotta for that. He was actually doing well IMO settling in quickly. Also, Pereyra needs to be a CM or even a winger but certainly not behind the strikers. I will wait to pass judgement on him until he is deployed in a more favorable position for him.

I try to put myself in the boards shoes. Take Conte leaving, for example: The players we brought were they players Conte wanted and what Marotta had planned for or did the short notice of signing Allegri and Conte walked complicate the mercato? Allegri took over a major club 2 days after preaseason started so he needed to see what he had at his disposal and by the time any recommendations could be made on what he might need half the mercato was over already. Furthermore, we planned for a 352 and Allegri said it himself plenty of times that the system was working so why change it until it was necessary which he did.

Pereyra & Romulo, and Ill go out on the limb and say it, did better in the old formation. Thankfully we got Evra because no one knew Asa would get hurt for as long as he did and I know you hate him as a LB but you don't like Chiellini as a LB either.

Romulo was bought injured and he was used before he completely recovered. It is the club's fault he is injured, nothing to do with luck.

Pereyra played in the middle and did nothing worthy so why all of a sudden he will become good in that position? He simply won't he's an average player at best and Padoin is a much better option. He will always be a total waste of money. And no, Conte has nothing to with anything and actually the players we have are not the players that Conte wanted. Conte was used as a scapegoat and we all joked about, Conte wants, Conte does not want. In fact, Conte is no longer at the club because of how we operate in the market.

Then comes the signing of Allegri on short notice, that has to be by far the most panic decision any club has ever done. Also blame lies on Marotta.

 

[Suns]

Problem is, its almost impossible to know whether a player will contribute or not as much as the value might suggest.

here is a thought, get good quality players. Don't spend the money you got on a number of players you don't need and scream 'depth"!!!!'. Juventus is a complete team only missing that one or two quality players. Stop wasting the money you do have on 5th choice Pereyra and Morata.

 

[Hust]

what guys? the same guys that got us 7th place as well? Conte was a big contributor to our treble winning season

So, we are back to the only reason we won 3 titles was down to Conte and NOT Marotta.

Got it, Badass. I'm understanding your way of thinking much better now.

 

[JCK]

And this is one of my biggest issues with Marotta. His selling sucks.

So is his buying but I agree with you, his selling is much worse. Come on Cameron, what has he done the past year? Show me just one player that adds quality to our squad, name only one from the last three transfer windows.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you try and belittle?

Let me try this again: He did well, as in, making little to no mistakes, when playing in the CM role in a 352 which AGAIN goes back to one of my initial arguments some players were brought with the intention of a different formation than the one we are playing now.

so we paid 15 mill for someone to make little to no mistakes? well usually that is what you expect your players to do isnt it? Do you really think the board and Allegri alike believed that the 3-5-2 was going to continue under allegri? of course not! again the board planned poorly just as they did the summer before last when Conte wanted wingers to switch to a 4-3-3 instead we ended up spending a large chunk of our budget on a back up defender (ogbonna)

 

[enzo]

I wanted him back during the summer instead of Morata. And if the opportunity presented itself and Dortmund got us a good price, I'd take him back. He's after all still the reigning top scorer in our league while we're having problems scoring besides Tevez up front.

I agree with that. I wouldn't rate Immobile based on his performance with Dortmund now. You wouldn't do that with Reus oder Hummels.

 

[Hust]

here is a thought, get good quality players. Don't spend the money you got on a number of players you don't need and scream 'depth"!!!!'. Juventus is a complete team only missing that one or two quality players. Stop wasting the money you do have on 5th choice Pereyra and Morata.

I think, as a Marotta supporter, and I hope I'm right about it, is that last summer was the last mercato for depth signings. And you will see my position change next summer if bigger names aren't signed which we both agree we need. But I think it's safe to say, its much harder to bring those big names in winter.

And I say last summer was the last mercato for depth because I think it was still necessary and in lieu of our injury issues now I am even more convinced it was necessary. Now we have a nice cushion of players that make minimal mistakes when called up we can start improving our starting 11. (and hopefully continue our youth scouting )

 

[Badass J Elkann]

So, we are back to the only reason we won 3 titles was down to Conte and NOT Marotta.

Got it, Badass. I'm understanding your way of thinking much better now.

No What I said was Conte was a BIG CONTRIBUTOR what you were implying is that Juve won the treble without Conte but instead the men in charge now

 

[alexjuventino]

So is his buying but I agree with you, his selling is much worse. Come on Cameron, what has he done the past year? Show me just one player that adds quality to our squad, name only one from the last three transfer windows.

From the last 3 windows? Tevez is probably the biggest. Don't forget Llorente had a great season last season. Coman, Morata, and Pereyra still can't be judged but have shown potential.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I think, as a Marotta supporter, and I hope I'm right about it, is that last summer was the last mercato for depth signings. And you will see my position change next summer if bigger names aren't signed which we both agree we need. But I think it's safe to say, its much harder to bring those big names in winter.

And I say last summer was the last mercato for depth because I think it was still necessary and in lieu of our injury issues now I am even more convinced it was necessary. Now we have a nice cushion of players that make minimal mistakes when called up we can start improving our starting 11. (and hopefully continue our youth scouting )

I can assure you it's not

 

[JCK]

I think, as a Marotta supporter, and I hope I'm right about it, is that last summer was the last mercato for depth signings. And you will see my position change next summer if bigger names aren't signed which we both agree we need. But I think it's safe to say, its much harder to bring those big names in winter.

And I say last summer was the last mercato for depth because I think it was still necessary and in lieu of our injury issues now I am even more convinced it was necessary. Now we have a nice cushion of players that make minimal mistakes when called up we can start improving our starting 11. (and hopefully continue our youth scouting )

That there is what I call wishful thinking.

 

[Hust]

Lastly, one more quick point: And I will call this genius on Marotta's part, if true - we have some talent youth out there playing and Marotta is possibly banking on them becoming Juve starting material which would be a cheaper more affordable option than splurging outside of Italy. Take Berardi, for example, the kid is doing quite well. He would close a fraction of what it would cost to bring a youth talent his age from outside of Italy.

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I can assure you it's not

Ok. Well, save these two posts for the summer and we can see who was right. If you are right, I will admit defeat.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

From the last 3 windows? Tevez is probably the biggest. Don't forget Llorente had a great season last season. Coman, Morata, and Pereyra still can't be judged but have shown potential.

When? what when he placed another of his shots off target? when he nearly made that tackle he was suppose to make?

 

[JCK]

From the last 3 windows? Tevez is probably the biggest. Don't forget Llorente had a great season last season. Coman, Morata, and Pereyra still can't be judged but have shown potential.

The past three windows are January 2014, Summer 2014 and January 2015. We all know what will happen this January.

 

[Suns]

I think, as a Marotta supporter, and I hope I'm right about it, is that last summer was the last mercato for depth signings. And you will see my position change next summer if bigger names aren't signed which we both agree we need. But I think it's safe to say, its much harder to bring those big names in winter.

And I say last summer was the last mercato for depth because I think it was still necessary and in lieu of our injury issues now I am even more convinced it was necessary. Now we have a nice cushion of players that make minimal mistakes when called up we can start improving our starting 11. (and hopefully continue our youth scouting )

I'm not holding my breath. Too many summers have come and gone that made me want to smash something because of Beppe and his stupid signings.

 

[Hust]

From the last 3 windows? Tevez is probably the biggest. Don't forget Llorente had a great season last season. Coman, Morata, and Pereyra still can't be judged but have shown potential.

Exactly. No one and I mean NO ONE expected Llorente to bomb the way he has.

At this point with the lack of goals coming, I'd be willing to start a formation that suits him more than anyone else simply for the fact we need him scoring again. Instead of building around Pirlo or Pogba, build it around Llorente's strengths and the rest of our players are all tactically strong enough to adapt. Llorente isn't.

 

[Robee]

So maybe it's a good idea to wait if the Shaqiri transfer actually pays off. Or does not spending 30mil on I-fucking-turbe sounds like a disaster now?

And yes, I hate missing out on him if we're actually going to buy this Sneijder dwarf.