[WC] World Cup 2010 - General Talk Thread (32 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

It's not about the players. They do whatevery they can do to win. I won't blame them.

fair enough

 

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[Seven]

And every not given penalty for pushing during corners might decide the game.

Come on, Van Persie didn't touch the ball and it was a minor offside, which looked almost on line and the linesman always gives advantage to the attacker in these on-line situations. Yes, technically the goal should have been disallowed but we started complaining about all sorts of things and acting like typical Italians now.

There's also the first goal and Van Bommel's foul. And then there's the entire tournament. It has been a farce, Alen.

 

[king Ale]

And every not given penalty for pushing during corners might decide the game.

Come on, Van Persie didn't touch the ball and it was a minor offside, which looked almost on line and the linesman always gives advantage to the attacker in these on-line situations. Yes, technically the goal should have been disallowed but we started complaining about all sorts of things and acting like typical Italians now.

What is minor offside? It's either offside or not and the goal was offside. It could be safely said that it changed the game.

 

[Fred]

And every not given penalty for pushing during corners might decide the game.

Come on, Van Persie didn't touch the ball and it was a minor offside, which looked almost on line and the linesman always gives advantage to the attacker in these on-line situations. Yes, technically the goal should have been disallowed but we started complaining about all sorts of things and acting like typical Italians now.

I can't argue against that, your probably right here. But the whining about minor detalis comes after a WC filled with silly mistakes by the refs. Call it the tip of the iceberg, thats it, people can't take any more mistakes, regardless of how minor they may be.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What is minor offside? It's either offside or not and the goal was offside. It could be safely said that it changed the game.

i think theres a difference, if it's negligible and hard to spot with the naked eye then it's completely different than a gross margin one

 

[Alen]

There's also the first goal and Van Bommel's foul. And then there's the entire tournament. It has been a farce, Alen.

I know, but it seems to me that you guys are now watching games just to see a bad call and you're finding a bad call in everything.

There is not a single match in any league without at least 2-3 dubious or bad calls. Sometimes they end up with a goal, sometimes not.
The WC officiating has been a catastrophe in general, but enjoy the games for a change instead of looking if Caceres' feet were completely behind the line when he took the throw in.

You remind me of those guys in Domenica Sportiva when they spent whooping 30 minutes discussing one goal Milan scored when Gourcuff took the corner and the ball was mostly out of that small corner box when he was taking the corner. They made a drama out of it and crucified the referee.

 

[Seven]

i think theres a difference, if it's negligible and hard to spot with the naked eye then it's completely different than a gross margin one

But Quagliarella was most likely onside when he netted the equaliser against Slovakia. If we're going to think like this, it's pretty much random. Sometimes you're on, sometimes you're off.

Obviously this issue needs resolving.

 

[Seven]

I know, but it seems to me that you guys are now watching games just to see a bad call and you're finding a bad call in everything.

There is not a single match in any league without at least 2-3 dubious or bad calls. Sometimes they end up with a goal, sometimes not.
The WC officiating has been a catastrophe in general, but enjoy the games for a change instead of looking if Caceres' feet were completely behind the line when he took the throw in.

You remind me of those guys in Domenica Sportiva when they spent whooping 30 minutes discussing one goal Milan scored when Gourcuff took the corner and the ball was mostly out of that small corner box when he was taking the corner. They made a drama out of it and crucified the referee.

Big difference between that and an offside call though. This was a HUGE call, Alen.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

But Quagliarella was most likely onside when he netted the equaliser against Slovakia. If we're going to think like this, it's pretty much random. Sometimes you're on, sometimes you're off.

Obviously this issue needs resolving.

i am saying a team shouldnt feel hard done if the decision was that close, i personally wouldnt be it would be sad to stomach obviously but i wouldnt complain about it as if it was an act of injustice

 

[Seven]

i am saying a team shouldnt feel hard done if the decision was that close, i personally wouldnt be it would be sad to stomach obviously but i wouldnt complain about it as if it was an act of injustice

But if you're Uruguay this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. And you're going home because of a wrong call. No matter how marginal, it was still wrong. I find this hard to take even if I wanted Holland to win.

 

[king Ale]

i think theres a difference, if it's negligible and hard to spot with the naked eye then it's completely different than a gross margin one

I don't blame the linesman but fact is that Holland scored an offside goal and it was a decisive call. Spain scored an offside goal against Portugal and it was a decisive call (even though it was a close one as well). This is where you can't say there is a difference between close calls and blatant ones because in either case, the goal must have been disallowed.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

But if you're Uruguay this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. And you're going home because of a wrong call. No matter how marginal, it was still wrong. I find this hard to take even if I wanted Holland to win.

i wanted uruguay and i am telling you that call was so close it was negligible. England on the other hand...

 

[Seven]

I don't blame the linesman but fact is that Holland scored an offside goal and it was a decisive call. Spain scored an offside goal against Portugal and it was a decisive call (even though it was a close one as well). This is where you can't say there is a difference between close calls and blatant ones because in either case, the goal must have been disallowed.

That was so easy to spot TBH. It was close, but you just knew it was offside. Anyways, this world cup could have been completely different if the officials had gone the other way. It is all random.

i wanted uruguay and i am telling you that call was so close it was negligible. England on the other hand...

It was close, but wrong. What happened to England well.. that alone should be enough to do something.

 

[Seven]

All the teams still in the World Cup had decisive wrong calls in their favour.

How fucking sad.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I don't blame the linesman but fact is that Holland scored an offside goal and it was a decisive call. Spain scored an offside goal against Portugal and it was a decisive call (even though it was a close one as well). This is where you can't say there is a difference between close calls and blatant ones because in either case, the goal must have been disallowed.

but what i am saying is when it's that close and "unspottable" by the ref then it's not offside, how silly would it be to start computing to the mm level who's offside and whos not.

 

[Seven]

but what i am saying is when it's that close and "unspottable" by the ref then it's not offside, how silly would it be to start computing to the mm level who's offside and whos not.

Then Quag is definitely onside and Italy's exit was yet another officiating disgrace.

EDIT: what I mean is, they're just doing something. They don't know if the player's on or off. They just waive or don't waive. It's not about the rules anymore, it's about luck.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Then Quag is definitely onside and Italy's exit was yet another officiating disgrace.

i think we enjoy a different game, if a competent referee misses a call by inches it's fine by me and italy's fortunes were made and broken by close call... always!

 

[Bjerknes]

Who says that pressure is that important?
Sure, observing every single detail and football shows that last for hours where even a badly taken throw in is discussed, will force you to pay more attention to such details and become a better ref, but there is also another thing here, and that's how the game is played. You can't compare the football played in the top leagues with the football played in the Croatian league or the Finnish league. The football is faster, players run more, things are happening faster, you have to run more and be everywhere, see everything. Players in the Croatian league run some 2,3,4 km on average less than their Italian or English counterparts. That makes the officiating easier in Croatia.

Handling pressure may not be the most important facet of officiating. I'd say interpreting the rules in play is the most important skill for a ref to have.

Fitness is also important. Who was the name of that fat bastard English dude a few years ago?

It's not all about running, though. It's not all about officiating in the top leagues. You also have to be an intelligent person who can think on their feet to officiate these matches. Lets not go on the path of claiming that Europeans are the only folks who can do that, as in reality, the Asians are probably the best at calculating a tackle.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

EDIT: what I mean is, they're just doing something. They don't know if the player's on or off. They just waive or don't waive. It's not about the rules anymore, it's about luck.

ok this part is actually a good point, and i believe if they re unsure they should let play continue, and i think that is what FIFA encourages anyway

 

[Alen]

If the refs were good, I think Italy would have done great and probably won the whole thing.
As they did in the only 3 world cups when there was great officiating.

Seven, lets admit it, this is mostly about Italy's humiliation, isn't it? You'd have digested these awful calls much easier if Italy were still in the tournament.
Despite the many good points you make, sorry but I can't help feeling that your anger has much more to do with Italy than with anything else.