[WC] World Cup 2010 - General Talk Thread (63 Viewers)

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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Generally they certainly are. Maybe 1 or 2 individuals from Asia might turn out to be the best in the world, but as a group they're most probably behind refs who officiate CL and the top European leagues.

The same thing can be said even if you look inside Europe only. It's not a coincidence that you won't find many refs in the CL or at a WC or EURO from the smaller leagues and that the majority comes from the European top 10 leagues.
Im not denying that. All I was complaining about is Burke stating that a good ref HAS to be from Europe as if he's denying the possibility of such a quality ref coming from Asia which just happened to be at the same time a couple of Asian refs are doing a brilliant job on the biggest football stage while European ones are generally fucking up.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Generally they certainly are. Maybe 1 or 2 individuals from Asia might turn out to be the best in the world, but as a group they're most probably behind refs who officiate CL and the top European leagues.

The same thing can be said even if you look inside Europe only. It's not a coincidence that you won't find many refs in the CL or at a WC or EURO from the smaller leagues and that the majority comes from the European top 10 leagues.
Or perhaps they're discriminated against because they don't officiate in a better league. Possible?

If we go by this refs in the better leagues have more pressure on them argument, wouldn't referees from Medellin and Buenos Aires be better refs? After all, they are pressured to get the correct call OR ELSE they might be physically harmed.

So in terms of making the right call under pressure, the South Americans would probably be the best fit for that, wouldn't you agree?
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Or perhaps they're discriminated against because they don't officiate in a better league. Possible?

If we go by this refs in the better leagues have more pressure on them argument, wouldn't referees from Medellin and Buenos Aires be better refs? After all, they are pressured to get the correct call OR ELSE they might be physically harmed.

So in terms of making the right call under pressure, the South Americans would probably be the best fit for that, wouldn't you agree?

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English refs are shite
Exactly.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I'm absolutely gutted. I don't remember ever being this depressed after a football game. I liked both teams, but because I saw the game in Antwerp (which is very close to Holland, so everyone was in oranje), I started to cheer for the Dutch myself. There was a lot of joy when Holland scored that second goal. And then it hit me. Offside. Yet another game decided by a bad call.

This is bullshit.
 

JBF

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Aug 5, 2006
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The Japanese one was pretty good too.

Or perhaps they're discriminated against because they don't officiate in a better league. Possible?

If we go by this refs in the better leagues have more pressure on them argument, wouldn't referees from Medellin and Buenos Aires be better refs? After all, they are pressured to get the correct call OR ELSE they might be physically harmed.

So in terms of making the right call under pressure, the South Americans would probably be the best fit for that, wouldn't you agree?
An Argentinian ref made it to the final match last wc :D

English refs are shite
Word.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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I'm absolutely gutted. I don't remember ever being this depressed after a football game. I liked both teams, but because I saw the game in Antwerp (which is very close to Holland, so everyone was in oranje), I started to cheer for the Dutch myself. There was a lot of joy when Holland scored that second goal. And then it hit me. Offside. Yet another game decided by a bad call.

This is bullshit.


I am now beggining to lean in the direction of technology. I haven't made my mind yet, but if this is the alternative to not having technology, well....
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Or perhaps they're discriminated against because they don't officiate in a better league. Possible?

If we go by this refs in the better leagues have more pressure on them argument, wouldn't referees from Medellin and Buenos Aires be better refs? After all, they are pressured to get the correct call OR ELSE they might be physically harmed.

So in terms of making the right call under pressure, the South Americans would probably be the best fit for that, wouldn't you agree?
They are, only they have a corruption problem. For the same reason you have to be wary of Italian refs IMO. But officiating in the J-league or the MLS means fuck all to be honest. It is no basis for a World Cup.

That said, even the best refs will fuck up now. The game is very fast, the players are all cheating whenever they can and offside is becoming a lottery. The refs need help FFS.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Or perhaps they're discriminated against because they don't officiate in a better league. Possible?

If we go by this refs in the better leagues have more pressure on them argument, wouldn't referees from Medellin and Buenos Aires be better refs? After all, they are pressured to get the correct call OR ELSE they might be physically harmed.

So in terms of making the right call under pressure, the South Americans would probably be the best fit for that, wouldn't you agree?
Who says that pressure is that important?
Sure, observing every single detail and football shows that last for hours where even a badly taken throw in is discussed, will force you to pay more attention to such details and become a better ref, but there is also another thing here, and that's how the game is played. You can't compare the football played in the top leagues with the football played in the Croatian league or the Finnish league. The football is faster, players run more, things are happening faster, you have to run more and be everywhere, see everything. Players in the Croatian league run some 2,3,4 km on average less than their Italian or English counterparts. That makes the officiating easier in Croatia.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Yes, they do. I'd say, call for the goal and let Suarez play the game. In Australia-Ghana game, Kewell handled the ball off the line. It was a goal. Call for the goal then and let Kewell continue playing.
No. IMO it's a good rule. You get to take a gamble. I love it TBH. In most cases it's stupid to get sent off and sacrificing yourself, but in the last minute of the game it's worth it. I think it's beautiful.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Who says that pressure is that important?
Sure, observing every single detail and football shows that last for hours where even a badly taken throw in is discussed, will force you to pay more attention to such details and become a better ref, but there is also another thing here, and that's how the game is played. You can't compare the football played in the top leagues with the football played in the Croatian league or the Finnish league. The football is faster, players run more, things are happening faster, you have to run more and be everywhere, see everything. Players in the Croatian league run some 2,3,4 km on average less than their Italian or English counterparts. That makes the officiating easier in Croatia.
Not to forget that players in better leagues tend to cheat more.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I am now beggining to lean in the direction of technology. I haven't made my mind yet, but if this is the alternative to not having technology, well....
This is just so incredibly sad. Congrats to the Dutch I suppose, but this World Cup is over as far as I'm concerned. Too much is too much.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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And it's also beautiful to score a goal with the hand of God.
No. That's different. What Suarez did wasn't cheating. He did whatever he could to help his team within the rules. He knew he was going to get sent off. Uruguay were punished, the right call was made. Suarez gambled in hoping that Ghana would miss.

There's a HUGE difference.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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This is just so incredibly sad. Congrats to the Dutch I suppose, but this World Cup is over as far as I'm concerned. Too much is too much.
Its been a farce, 2002 pales in comparison.

Teams like Mexico and now Uruguay can only imagine what could have been had ther been good refereeing.
 

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