[WC] World Cup 2010 - General Talk Thread (56 Viewers)

[Seven]

Don't forget what happened to Mexico in the very same day.

Refereeing in this tournament has been a farce.

Very true. There have been so many awful calls that one actually has to reconstruct what the tournament would have looked like had the refs actually done their job. The ONLY option now is technology, the game isn't credible anymore.

 

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[Ventus]

nothing was worse than 2002

in 2010 the general quality of the players had declined, and the managers have been idiotic, but i never expected anything flashy. In 2002 there were so many great teams, and they simply flopped. This time the teams that flopped were never that great anyway.

blame club football and its money

 

[Yamen]

Hello there.. Andries..

 

[Martin]

nothing was worse than 2002

in 2010 the general quality of the players had declined, and the managers have been idiotic, but i never expected anything flashy. In 2002 there were so many great teams, and they simply flopped. This time the teams that flopped were never that great anyway.

blame club football and its money

yup

 

[JuveJay]

Very true. There have been so many awful calls that one actually has to reconstruct what the tournament would have looked like had the refs actually done their job. The ONLY option now is technology, the game isn't credible anymore.

They should change the way that referees are ranked, and just pick the top 30, or however many they use, regardless of what countries or continent they come from.

Then 5 officials, then technology. In the England-Germany game for example, the 5th official would clearly see that was a goal.

 

[IrishZebra]

Video replays wouldn't destroy football, the ref wouldn't even need to see them, they could have a 5th official watching a multi camera display advising the ref on anything he didn't see, simple as that.

 

[Alen]

He refereed in 3 WC's. 1986, 1990 and 1994. His credentials speak for themselves.

Like I said, an expert one could trust. The best of the Saudi league. Or was it Yemen? Or maybe Oman?

So what makes him better than this provincial refs in the Croatian studios who say the opposite of what he's saying?

 

[JCK]

Very true. There have been so many awful calls that one actually has to reconstruct what the tournament would have looked like had the refs actually done their job. The ONLY option now is technology, the game isn't credible anymore.

You simply cannot use technology in selected tournaments, football is a sport that goes from school tournaments to the World Cup. If you are to use it in the World Cup, the Euros and the CL then you have to use it in every division in every country and this will not happen.

 

[JCK]

Video replays wouldn't destroy football, the ref wouldn't even need to see them, they could have a 5th official watching a multi camera display advising the ref on anything he didn't see, simple as that.

As I said, you would have to do the same in every league in all the countries.

 

[Seven]

Video replays wouldn't destroy football, the ref wouldn't even need to see them, they could have a 5th official watching a multi camera display advising the ref on anything he didn't see, simple as that.

If technology is not used after this World Cup, the game has lost all credibility. You give the players a fucking plastic ball to kick around and you give them poor refs. You cannot expect them to perform when all circumstances around them tell them to fuck up. 2010 has been a disaster.

On a brighter note though: where are the people who were talking about the decline of European football? 3 out of 4. Not bad I say.

 

[Fred]

Like I said, an expert one could trust. The best of the Saudi league. Or was it Yemen? Or maybe Oman?

So what makes him better than this provincial refs in the Croatian studios who say the opposite of what he's saying?

He's an international referee, he refereed in 3 World Cups, why would they keep on bringing him if he was no better than a few unknown referees from some Eastern european country that probably are mobsters or criminals anyway.

Jamal is from Syria.

 

[Seven]

You simply cannot use technology in selected tournaments, football is a sport that goes from school tournaments to the World Cup. If you are to use it in the World Cup, the Euros and the CL then you have to use it in every division in every country and this will not happen.

Yes, you can.

And you know why? The World Cup is NOT a school tournament. What you're saying is a bullshit argument. It actually makes me puke. No one has ever used that argument in any other sport because every rational person realises that it's blatantly wrong. You cannot compare a tournament that involves billions of dollars to a tournament that's about nothing at all. If you're going to simply dismiss the need for better refereeing, I think you're directly saying you want your governing body to influence games.

And that is plain wrong. If technology isn't used in 2012, I will not watch the tournament. I will not believe it any longer.

 

[JCK]

On a brighter note though: where are the people who were talking about the decline of European football? 3 out of 4. Not bad I say.

I mentioned the exact same thing

The funniest thing was a guest Swedish TV got just after the group stage and he predicted a semi final with 3 South American teams. They are looking for this expert now, rumours say that he is hiding 100 meters underground.

 

[king Ale]

Who the fuck is that??

I don't think his credentials match those of Jamal El-Shareef

He is the linesman of Brazil-Italy 1994 world cup final

 

[Fred]

Plus Alen, to work for a big channel like Al-Jazeera you have to be one of the best. They only take quality. Look at the panel of analysts they have for this WC.

Arsene Wenger, Lothar Matthaus, Aragones, Jose Pekerman, Trevor Francis, Terry Venables, Ronald De Boer, Arrigo Sachi.

 

[JCK]

Yes, you can.

And you know why? The World Cup is NOT a school tournament. What you're saying is a bullshit argument. It actually makes me puke. No one has ever used that argument in any other sport because every rational person realises that it's blatantly wrong. You cannot compare a tournament that involves billions of dollars to a tournament that's about nothing at all. If you're going to simply dismiss the need for better refereeing, I think you're directly saying you want your governing body to influence games.

And that is plain wrong. If technology isn't used in 2012, I will not watch the tournament. I will not believe it any longer.

That's the argument that FIFA is using and they have the right to do so. Do you know why? because school tournaments play football and the World Cup is also football. For them it is the exact same sport and that same sport has to be treated in the same way whoever is playing. If it makes you puke, then go ahead and puke.

 

[Seven]

That's the argument that FIFA is using and they have the right to do so. Do you know why? because school tournaments play football and the World Cup is also football. For them it is the exact same sport and that same sport has to be treated in the same way whoever is playing. If it makes you puke, then go ahead and puke.

No. It is not the same thing, Jack. It never was and it never will be. They acknowledge this in tennis, rugby, american football and just about any other sport. It isn't an argument because it isn't about changing the rules. The rules are the same for everyone, only they are better applied during World Cups. My local team doesn't have to have the best refs either. No, Jack, it really really really isn't an argument. Either they use technology in 2012 or we go to a situation in which none of it is real anymore.

 

[Alen]

He's an international referee, he refereed in 3 World Cups, why would they keep on bringing him if he was no better than a few unknown referees from some Eastern european country that probably are mobsters or criminals anyway.

Well, the people who comment World Cups or EUROs here are usually some who won at the biggest stage, who played for the biggest clubs or coached the biggest clubs and the greatest players in the world and who know the game more than someone who was refereeing all his life in the Syrian league and who was representing a continent that in 1986 hardly had football.

 

[Tommy]

Muller is suspended for the next game? Shit.

 

[JCK]

No. It is not the same thing, Jack. It never was and it never will be. They acknowledge this in tennis, rugby, american football and just about any other sport. It isn't an argument because it isn't about changing the rules. The rules are the same for everyone, only they are better applied during World Cups. My local team doesn't have to have the best refs either. No, Jack, it really really really isn't an argument. Either they use technology in 2012 or we go to a situation in which none of it is real anymore.

It's just not fair towards the smaller tournaments. I don't really care for example as my country will never ever play in the World Cup nor they will ever be unfairly treated to miss on a World Cup.