Virginia Tech Murders (32 Viewers)

The Pado

Filthy Gobbo
Jul 12, 2002
9,939
Since Andries knows how to solve the gun violence in the US, perhaps he can turn his attention to the football related violence in Italy. It's simple really:

1. Western Europe has football related killings all the time
2. USA never has sports related killings
3. I'm a dumbfuck who can suck his own member.

Where is Chxta? I don't know where I am.
 

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Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
hey vinnie, i found out some of the stats relating to guns in to and used them to respond to your post
find me the stats of the "shots fired" calls that Metro TO responds to, and also the "man with a gun" calls as well

you gave me the numbers of those dead or injured, I want the total number of gun related police calls
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
God, Vin, this is too sad to even react to. I'm a bit confused here. Are you the guy who has English as his native language?
my English is perfect, weasel...everyone here can understand it as well

its just like you...you have no comeback, so you say something completely stupid

now go change your tampon, you're bleeding everywhere :oops:
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
In Sevens defense, he's not doing anything more different than what's going on here in the States currently. Everyone is blaming everything from gun control to Virginia Tech. I don't think he's not showing any remorse to the people who lost their lives, rather questioning the laws of this country.

I was watching CNN earlier and there was someone on there blaming Quentin Tarantino, ffs. In all honest, if we all said our "RIP's" we wouldn't get anywhere.

Besides, its not like you guys do anything differently. Every time something happens in the Middle East people start calling Palestinians heartless and ruthless people who blow themselves or call Israelis a heartless and ruthless country. True, that's different, but the reaction is the same.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
Since Andries knows how to solve the gun violence in the US, perhaps he can turn his attention to the football related violence in Italy. It's simple really:

1. Western Europe has football related killings all the time
2. USA never has sports related killings
3. I'm a dumbfuck who can suck his own member.

Where is Chxta? I don't know where I am.
Hey, I'm the first to call for measures. Football violence can easily be solved, just take a look at England. Part of me thinks Italians just don't want to solve it.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
my English is perfect, weasel...everyone here can understand it as well

its just like you...you have no comeback, so you say something completely stupid

now go change your tampon, you're bleeding everywhere :oops:
Shouldn't you be exercising?
 

tanveer_1

Junior Member
Apr 14, 2007
189
here is an atricle from the economist about it:

After the Virginia Tech massacre
America's tragedy

Apr 19th 2007
From The Economist print edition
Its politicians are still running away from a debate about guns

The Economist

IN THE aftermath of the massacre at Virginia Tech university on April 16th, as the nation mourned a fresh springtime crop of young lives cut short by a psychopath's bullets, President George Bush and those vying for his job offered their prayers and condolences. They spoke eloquently of their shock and sadness and horror at the tragedy (see article). The Democratic speaker of the House of Representatives called for a “moment of silence”. Only two candidates said anything about guns, and that was to support the right to have them.

Cho Seung-hui does not stand for America's students, any more than Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris did when they slaughtered 13 of their fellow high-school students at Columbine in 1999. Such disturbed people exist in every society. The difference, as everyone knows but no one in authority was saying this week, is that in America such individuals have easy access to weapons of terrible destructive power. Cho killed his victims with two guns, one of them a Glock 9mm semi-automatic pistol, a rapid-fire weapon that is available only to police in virtually every other country, but which can legally be bought over the counter in thousands of gun-shops in America. There are estimated to be some 240m guns in America, considerably more than there are adults, and around a third of them are handguns, easy to conceal and use. Had powerful guns not been available to him, the deranged Cho would have killed fewer people, and perhaps none at all.

But the tragedies of Virginia Tech—and Columbine, and Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania, where five girls were shot at an Amish school last year—are not the full measure of the curse of guns. More bleakly terrible is America's annual harvest of gun deaths that are not mass murders: some 14,000 routine killings committed in 2005 with guns, to which must be added 16,000 suicides by firearm and 650 fatal accidents (2004 figures). Many of these, especially the suicides, would have happened anyway: but guns make them much easier. Since the killing of John Kennedy in 1963, more Americans have died by American gunfire than perished on foreign battlefields in the whole of the 20th century. In 2005 more than 400 children were murdered with guns.
The trigger and the damage done

The news is not uniformly bad: gun crime fell steadily throughout the 1990s and early 2000s. But it is still at dreadful levels, and it rose sharply again in 2005. Police report that in many cities it rose even faster in 2006. William Bratton, the police chief of Los Angeles (and formerly of New York), speaks of a “gathering storm of crime”. Politicians on both sides, he says, have been “captured” by the vocal National Rifle Association (NRA). The silence over Virginia Tech shows he has a point.

The Democrats have been the most disappointing, because until recently they had been the party of gun control. In 1994 President Bill Clinton approved a bill banning assault weapons (covering semi-automatic rifles plus high-capacity magazines for handguns) and the year before that a bill imposing a requirement for background checks. But Democrats believe they paid a high price for their courage: losing the House of Representatives in 1994 shortly after the assault-weapons ban, and then losing the presidency in 2000. Had Al Gore held Arkansas or West Virginia or his own Tennessee, all strongly pro-gun, he would have won the election. These days, with hopes for a victory in 2008 dependent on the South and the mountain West, it is a brave Democrat who will talk about gun control. Some of them dismiss the very idea as “insensitive”.

Mr Bush however, has done active damage. On his watch the assault-weapons ban was allowed to lapse in 2004. New laws make it much harder to trace illegal weapons and require the destruction after 24 hours of information gathered during checks of would-be gun-buyers. The administration has also reopened debate on the second amendment, which enshrines the right to bear arms. Last month an appeals court in Washington, DC, overturned the capital's prohibition on handguns, declaring that it violates the second amendment. The case will probably go to the newly conservative Supreme Court, which might end most state and local efforts at gun control.
Freedom yes, but which one?

No phrase is bandied around more in the gun debate than “freedom of the individual”. When it comes to most dangerous products—be they drugs, cigarettes or fast cars—this newspaper advocates a more liberal approach than the American government does. But when it comes to handguns, automatic weapons and other things specifically designed to kill people, we believe control is necessary, not least because the failure to deal with such violent devices often means that other freedoms must be curtailed. Instead of a debate about guns, America is now having a debate about campus security.

Americans are in fact queasier about guns than the national debate might suggest. Only a third of households now have guns, down from 54% in 1977. In poll after poll a clear majority has supported tightening controls. Very few Americans support a complete ban, even of handguns—there are too many out there already, and many people reasonably feel that they need to be able to protect themselves. But much could still be done without really infringing that right.

The assault-weapons ban should be renewed, with its egregious loopholes removed. No civilian needs an AK-47 for a legitimate purpose, but you can buy one online for $379.99. Guns could be made much safer, with the mandatory fitting of child-proof locks. A system of registration for guns and gun-owners, as exists in all other rich countries, threatens no one but the criminal. Cooling-off periods, a much more open flow of intelligence, tighter rules on the trading of guns and a wider blacklist of those ineligible to buy them would all help.

Many of these things are being done by cities or states, and have worked fairly well. But jurisdictions with tough rules are undermined by neighbours with weak ones. Only an effort at the federal level will work. Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, has put together a coalition of no fewer than 180 mayors to fight for just that. Good luck to him.

economist.com
 

tanveer_1

Junior Member
Apr 14, 2007
189
heres one about gun laws in texas. you may find it of interest:

Gun laws in Texas
Standing their ground

Apr 19th 2007 | AUSTIN
From The Economist print edition
A man's office is his castle. And his car, too

ON TUESDAY afternoon, as news about the Virginia Tech murders filtered out, the staff of a hamburger restaurant in downtown Austin gathered in front of a television suspended over the bar. A boyish-looking waiter speculated that if the gunman had really used a 9mm handgun, he must have had an accomplice. That handgun can hold a fair number of bullets, he said, but the gunman would have had to stop to reload.

It is not unusual for a Texan to be casually conversant about firearms. A state resident does not need a permit to buy a gun and guns do not have to be registered. Police are, as a result, not sure how many guns there are in the state. But the number is substantial. In a 2001 poll by the Behavioural Risk Factor Surveillance Survey, 36% of respondents said that their household had at least one.

The state's gun laws are lax, and becoming more so all the time. In March Governor Rick Perry signed a bill into law that gives increased discretion to open fire. Previously, Texans were justified in killing someone only if “a reasonable person in the actor's situation would not have retreated”. The new law, which takes effect in September, eliminates the need for escape attempts. It assumes that the otherwise law-abiding citizen had a good reason for standing their ground. It also gives shooters immunity from civil suits.

The law has plenty of critics. Law-enforcement officials say the duty to retreat saves lives because it discourages people from escalating conflicts. The new law seems to protect hysterical trigger-fingers who feel themselves genuinely threatened when no real threat exists.

The law was probably not necessary anyway. There is no carjacking crisis in the state. And juries have never been sticklers about the duty to retreat. There is widespread sympathy for the idea that, as Oliver Wendell Holmes put it in 1921, “Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife.”

Still, the bill flew through the legislature with broad support. In a way, it simply marks a return to form for the state. Texas did not acknowledge a duty to retreat until 1973. And Texas is just the 16th state to pass such legislation since Florida did so in 2005. Florida's law goes even further, as it presumes that any cat burglar has murderous intent.

Texans largely support gun ownership, despite the fact that the state has experienced mass murders of its own. In 1966 Charles Whitman, a student at the University of Texas at Austin, shot almost 50 passers-by from the top of the campus clock-tower. Sixteen died. And in 1991 George Hennard drove his truck into a restaurant in the small town of Killeen, where he killed 23 patrons before killing himself. Before this week, those episodes were, respectively, the deadliest campus shooting and the worst mass shooting in America's history.
 

Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
8,065
Hey, I'm the first to call for measures. Football violence can easily be solved, just take a look at England. Part of me thinks Italians just don't want to solve it.
Hooliganism in England hasn't been fully eradicated. The media might want us to think so, but thats not the case at all!
 

AngelaL

Jinx Minx
Aug 25, 2006
10,215
Hooliganism in England hasn't been fully eradicated. The media might want us to think so, but thats not the case at all!
Maybe not, but that does not excuse those in authority from doing whatever they can to try & stop "football" hooliganism - no matter what country. There will always be troublemakers, but that's no reason to tolerate their behaviour.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
Hooliganism in England hasn't been fully eradicated. The media might want us to think so, but thats not the case at all!
You can never fully eradicate hooliganism just like you can't fully eradicate terrorism. However, lots of good measures have been taken and they seem to have had an effect.
 

The Pado

Filthy Gobbo
Jul 12, 2002
9,939
In Sevens defense, he's not doing anything more different than what's going on here in the States currently. Everyone is blaming everything from gun control to Virginia Tech. I don't think he's not showing any remorse to the people who lost their lives, rather questioning the laws of this country.

I was watching CNN earlier and there was someone on there blaming Quentin Tarantino, ffs. In all honest, if we all said our "RIP's" we wouldn't get anywhere.

Besides, its not like you guys do anything differently. Every time something happens in the Middle East people start calling Palestinians heartless and ruthless people who blow themselves or call Israelis a heartless and ruthless country. True, that's different, but the reaction is the same.

I agree that it is right to debate this, and that there is nothing wrong with outing those responsible. Also that RIP's are truly worthless. However this, saying "Fuck the victims" is just sick.

Originally Posted by Seven
Just saying.. Who cares about the Iraqi citizens? Hell, you might drop an A-bomb there for all you care. But whenever a couple of Americans get killed, and this time obviously because of American incompetence, the entire world has to mourn. Well, I refuse to do so. Fuck them I say.
 

The Pado

Filthy Gobbo
Jul 12, 2002
9,939
Hey, I'm the first to call for measures. Football violence can easily be solved, just take a look at England. Part of me thinks Italians just don't want to solve it.
Oh, I completely agree. That shit can be cleaned up overnight. I don't care if there is a culture of football violence, it can end today. How many times do we see ultras (the bad kind) walk on to the pitch and the cops just politely asking them to come back?

That offense deserves a beat down, and the offenders tossed out of the stadium with a summons to appear in court on the officer's court date. Toss a piss balloon? The match-day steward hauls your ass out of the stadium. Simple.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
I agree that it is right to debate this, and that there is nothing wrong with outing those responsible. Also that RIP's are truly worthless. However this, saying "Fuck the victims" is just sick.

Originally Posted by Seven
Just saying.. Who cares about the Iraqi citizens? Hell, you might drop an A-bomb there for all you care. But whenever a couple of Americans get killed, and this time obviously because of American incompetence, the entire world has to mourn. Well, I refuse to do so. Fuck them I say.
I'm going to have to go with a cultural difference here. Apparently cursing is seen as very insulting in English. In Dutch it barely holds any meaning. It's more like you don't care.

BTW, I saw something on CNN with Larry King remembering the victims: they weren't all great you know. And I don't know if it's really necessary to drag those families in front of a camera. Perhaps some like the attention, but I imagine it's not what they want to be doing right now.
 

Menace

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2005
3,988
my English is perfect, weasel...everyone here can understand it as well

its just like you...you have no comeback, so you say something completely stupid

now go change your tampon, you're bleeding everywhere :oops:
Vinman pointing out stupidity?! :rolleyes2
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
I agree, every post should be judged on spelling, grammar and punctuation. And then, if one wishes to give a gesture of good will, on content.
 

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