Virginia Tech Murders (7 Viewers)

[Seven]

We don't because me and you do know the consequences of killing people we know we don't wanna do it. Others don't...not only americans.

Take a look at Brazil, Colombia, Uruguay....same happens from time to time.

Exactly, Rab. You see, now we're getting somewhere.

It happens in the USA, in Brazil, in Colombia, in Uruguay, but it doesn't happen in Belgium, France or the Netherlands. Now do I really need to lay the cards down for you?

 

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[Ahmedios]

Fine. I admit there's no proven causal relation. But that goes for everything. You can choose to say there's no causal relation between drinking and pissing. Then again, isn't it odd how you have to piss every time a couple of hours after you had your drink?

What an analogy!!!

If there is no proven relation, so why don't you express your viewpoint in more details or show us how did you discover this relation?

 

[Azzurri7]

Hey, I might be an arrogant son of a bitch, but who's trying to improve society here? You, who's absolutely not critical and acts as if nothing happened? I on the other hand ask questions and wonder why these things occur far more in the USA then they do in Western Europe. Please, don't tell me it's coincidence. Everyone knows that's bullshit. Just one reason, of the top of my head: it's not as easy to buy guns here as it is there.

Thats a good reason IMO....and true that it isn't easy to buy a gun in europe. I don't know how things are in States, but I assume that these kind of things has happened way too much, so I doubt it being easy being guns there.

 

[.zero]

so our leaders view on the "war on terror" and foreign policy is a direct result of this domestic incident? or is it box-in-hand material?

 

[Azzurri7]

Exactly, Rab. You see, now we're getting somewhere.

It happens in the USA, in Brazil, in Colombia, in Uruguay, but it doesn't happen in Belgium, France or the Netherlands. Now do I really need to lay the cards down for you?

I agreed with you in your first post. The only thing I didn't agree with is that even If States didn't invade a country, there are still hunderds of problems that aren't really easy to solve. One of them is the topic we're now talking about. Killing people.

 

[Seven]

you raise a valid observation ie: prominence of such violent acts in the USA but your correlation to leadership and foreign policy is utterly absurd and you know it. You would have had more success trying to link your quarrel with andy to this subject by referring to the US incessant history of wars as a breeding ground to a culture of violence. However the rhetoric and foreign policy of our president had little to nothing to do with the angst and anger of a college kid.

I admit it was a rather poor argument. However, the two are symptoms of the same ilness. A causal effect between the two wasn't the best way to put it. The rhetoric and foreing policy of your president has a lot to do with angst. So does owning guns and so does what happened today. I won't even start on how fear is being spread among Americans every day (terrorists can attack you, even if you live in alabama? come on!). The mere fact it happens regularly in the US and people don't start asking questions is odd, very odd. And to think that Michael Moore debated the issue in such grand propaganda-style.

 

[Seven]

Thats a good reason IMO....and true that it isn't easy to buy a gun in europe. I don't know how things are in States, but I assume that these kind of things has happened way too much, so I doubt it being easy being guns there.

I don't know what it's like in every single state, but Michael Moore getting a new gun when opening a bank account said it all really . I might not be that fond of Moore, because he isn't doing journalism a favour, but you can't argue with that.

 

[Seven]

so our leaders view on the "war on terror" and foreign policy is a direct result of this domestic incident? or is it box-in-hand material?

It's not a direct result and I was wrong to make it sound like it was. But they are a result of the same general climate IMHO.

 

[.zero]

I admit it was a rather poor argument. However, the two are symptoms of the same ilness. A causal effect between the two wasn't the best way to put it. The rhetoric and foreing policy of your president has a lot to do with angst. So does owning guns and so does what happened today. I won't even start on how fear is being spread among Americans every day (terrorists can attack you, even if you live in alabama? come on!). The mere fact it happens regularly in the US and people don't start asking questions is odd, very odd. And to think that Michael Moore debated the issue in such grand propaganda-style.

the issue that you are getting at is gun control, plz dont try to correlate skool shootings with foreign policy.

and the thought that people in alabama will never be attacked by terrorists might be true but thats the whole point of terrorism. shake 'em all, thus the ppl of this country are shook.

plz dont tell me that you actually listen to farse banter of that fat f*ck michael moore? i hate bush and all that but even i don't follow what that moron has to say.

 

[Seven]

I agreed with you in your first post. The only thing I didn't agree with is that even If States didn't invade a country, there are still hunderds of problems that aren't really easy to solve. One of them is the topic we're now talking about. Killing people.

The thing is, in a lot of ways I think the USA don't adress their problems. I don't know what the current situation is, but I know for a fact that it wasn't possible to make a living of being a waitress in the USA a couple of years ago. Claiming the USA is a developed country, come Belgium or France, is debatable at best.

 

[Seven]

the issue that you are getting at is gun control, plz dont try to correlate skool shootings with foreign policy.

and the thought that people in alabama will never be attacked by terrorists might be true but thats the whole point of terrorism. shake 'em all, thus the ppl of this country are shook.

plz dont tell me that you actually listen to farse banter of that fat f*ck michael moore? i hate bush and all that but even i don't follow what that moron has to say.

Which is why I said propaganda. Moore definitely isn't an idiot, he wants to prove a point and wilfully ignores arguments that go against his reasoning. But in the end he does offer you facts you need to think about.

Terrorists are only interested in big hits. People should know that. Even when your government tries to tell you they can strike everywhere, you should think for yourself.

 

[.zero]

Terrorists are only interested in big hits. People should know that. Even when your government tries to tell you they can strike everywhere, you should think for yourself.

and i do, but you have to understand that we also have home grown terrorists (w.a.s.p's) wreaking havoc such as OkC. such remote areas of the country where these incidents do occur --thus it sticks around in ppls heads. the unabomber was another such case also...

but either way skool shootings are done by stupid ppl because yes -- they have access to acquire firearms. but honestly its not that easy to buy a biscuit these days.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

The thing is, in a lot of ways I think the USA don't adress their problems. I don't know what the current situation is, but I know for a fact that it wasn't possible to make a living of being a waitress in the USA a couple of years ago. Claiming the USA is a developed country, come Belgium or France, is debatable at best.

my buddy waiter makes over a 100 k a year, i am pretty sure you can make more than just a living on that; France mroe developped than the US? Ask le Pen; as for belgium when you start making something as rudimentary as "cars" we will talk.

 

[Seven]

my buddy waiter makes over a 100 k a year, i am pretty sure you can make more than just a living on that; France mroe developped than the US? Ask le Pen; as for belgium when you start making something as rudimentary as "cars" we will talk.

We make cars actually.

Besides, that's not the point and you know it. Just look it up, based on a hell of a lot of standards, the USA is barely to be called a developed country.

 

[.zero]

We make cars actually.

saabs?

 

[Martin]

saabs?

swedish engineering at its finest

 

[ReBeL]

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[.zero]

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[RAMI-N]

What a sad news...
May all victims R.I.P...

 

[Martin]

my buddy waiter makes over a 100 k a year, i am pretty sure you can make more than just a living on that; France mroe developped than the US? Ask le Pen; as for belgium when you start making something as rudimentary as "cars" we will talk.

So you have to make cars to be civilized? Does Canada?