US Presidential Elections thread - the fate of the world to be decided (3 Viewers)
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They were meant as rhetorical questions, so didn't mean to insult your intelligence. I apologize if that's how they came off.
The new leader of Pakistan is pro-Western and I'm sure the US had a hand in getting him into power. The Pakistan People's Party has historically been Pro-Western but no leader in Pakistan would support foreign soldiers on its soil or over its airspace.
Speaking Musharraf. I feel very bad for how he's been portrayed in the media. Here's a man supporting the so called War on Terror, leading a country that sympathizes with its fellow brethren (Aghan people and Iraqi people) and want the atrocities being committed against them to end just as much as any other anti-War activist in the world, including the United States.
I don't think people understand how hard that is for him. He only did it because it allows for billions of dollars of aid to come to the country, otherwise it was never their battle to fight. The man has literally pitted himself against his own people. Shit was bound to happen, and with the Red Mosque incident...it did. Ask anyone and they'll tell you that the Red Mosque incident was the catalyst to recent extremism in Pakistan. So kindly take that "did fuck all to help the situation" somewhere else. It is such an ungrateful opinion.
The new leader of Pakistan is pro-Western and I'm sure the US had a hand in getting him into power. The Pakistan People's Party has historically been Pro-Western but no leader in Pakistan would support foreign soldiers on its soil or over its airspace.
Speaking Musharraf. I feel very bad for how he's been portrayed in the media. Here's a man supporting the so called War on Terror, leading a country that sympathizes with its fellow brethren (Aghan people and Iraqi people) and want the atrocities being committed against them to end just as much as any other anti-War activist in the world, including the United States.
I don't think people understand how hard that is for him. He only did it because it allows for billions of dollars of aid to come to the country, otherwise it was never their battle to fight. The man has literally pitted himself against his own people. Shit was bound to happen, and with the Red Mosque incident...it did. Ask anyone and they'll tell you that the Red Mosque incident was the catalyst to recent extremism in Pakistan. So kindly take that "did fuck all to help the situation" somewhere else. It is such an ungrateful opinion.
I'm watching the debate on Belgian tv now and it's pretty funny.
McCain: "Obama wants you to *insert random bad thing*."
Obama: "I never said that."
Now I don't know everything about American politics. But I do know that something is wrong with what McCain is trying to tell everyone. Obama's obviously telling the truth, otherwise it would be too easy for McCain to make him out to be a liar. Which means McCain is deliberately putting words in Obama's mouth, which is something Obama does not deem necessary. YOU DON'T MISQUOTE PEOPLE. What's odd though is that this is obviously rule no.1 in any honest highschool debate. That McCain is using these tactics on national tv is pretty sad.
McCain: "Obama wants you to *insert random bad thing*."
Obama: "I never said that."
Now I don't know everything about American politics. But I do know that something is wrong with what McCain is trying to tell everyone. Obama's obviously telling the truth, otherwise it would be too easy for McCain to make him out to be a liar. Which means McCain is deliberately putting words in Obama's mouth, which is something Obama does not deem necessary. YOU DON'T MISQUOTE PEOPLE. What's odd though is that this is obviously rule no.1 in any honest highschool debate. That McCain is using these tactics on national tv is pretty sad.
Sorry to break it to you cowboy. 
Yo on the real, check out that doc I posted. It's a real eye opener as to McCain's early position for deregulation early in the economic crisis.
Yo on the real, check out that doc I posted. It's a real eye opener as to McCain's early position for deregulation early in the economic crisis.
People should know these facts, but sadly they will look right past them, either because they're biased fools or because they're just too dumb to understand economics. There is really, REALLY, no excuse for voting for the Republicans in this election.
Yeah, lets praise that state for being God's gift to politics!
Not just lies in national debates, but outright pathetic low ball smear campaigns is like political 1o1 for that countries political makeup for some reason.
I seriously saw an ad McCain made where disgustingly enough says Obama is corrupting your kindergarden kids by teaching them "comprehensive sex ed, pretty clear the fucked up shit it hinted at (when the reality is Obama is one of 100s who voted on a bill years ago to educate kids on how to spot the warning signs for sex offenders, and proper way to protect them etc).
It doesnt matter most people knows its far from the truth, downright pathetic distortions in smear ads are quite effective propoganda , otherwise it wouldnt be so commonly used tool (I mean, how stupid you have to be to buy this crap? Depressively stupid people are...). Here's a recap of the ads, seriously wtf is up?
Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Friday denied his barrage of hardball negative advertisements against Democratic rival Barack Obama amounted to "lies."
The Arizona Senator defended his campaign's tactics against Obama, which claimed his opponent called Republican vice presidential pick Sarah Palin a "pig" and advocated teaching sex education to kindergarten children.
"Actually, they are not lies," McCain said on the ABC television chat show "The View."
The Obama campaign had argued that McCain's camp deliberately misinterpreted Obama's recent comment that Republican claims to represent change were like putting "lipstick on a pig" as a sexist remark aimed at Palin.
"He shouldn't have said it. He chooses his words very carefully, this is a tough campaign," McCain said.
Earlier this week, the McCain campaign debuted an attack ad claiming that as a state lawmaker in Illinois, Obama backed a bill to teach "comprehensive sex education" to kindergartners."
"Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family," the narrator of the advertisement said.
In reality, the legislation allowed local schools to teach "age-appropriate" sex education, meaning that kindergarten kids could be warned about sexual predators and inappropriate touching but not taught about sex.
The Obama camp hit back angrily at McCain over the advertisement.
"It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.
"Last week, John McCain told Time magazine he couldn't define what honor was. Now we know why."
The intense McCain barrage on Friday prompted the Obama campaign to launch a counter-attack, with ads which branded McCain as out of touch with the economic travails of everyday Americans and guilty of using smears against the Democrat.
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Unimagineably pathetic.
I seriously saw an ad McCain made where disgustingly enough says Obama is corrupting your kindergarden kids by teaching them "comprehensive sex ed, pretty clear the fucked up shit it hinted at (when the reality is Obama is one of 100s who voted on a bill years ago to educate kids on how to spot the warning signs for sex offenders, and proper way to protect them etc).
It doesnt matter most people knows its far from the truth, downright pathetic distortions in smear ads are quite effective propoganda , otherwise it wouldnt be so commonly used tool (I mean, how stupid you have to be to buy this crap? Depressively stupid people are...). Here's a recap of the ads, seriously wtf is up?
Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Friday denied his barrage of hardball negative advertisements against Democratic rival Barack Obama amounted to "lies."
The Arizona Senator defended his campaign's tactics against Obama, which claimed his opponent called Republican vice presidential pick Sarah Palin a "pig" and advocated teaching sex education to kindergarten children.
"Actually, they are not lies," McCain said on the ABC television chat show "The View."
The Obama campaign had argued that McCain's camp deliberately misinterpreted Obama's recent comment that Republican claims to represent change were like putting "lipstick on a pig" as a sexist remark aimed at Palin.
"He shouldn't have said it. He chooses his words very carefully, this is a tough campaign," McCain said.
Earlier this week, the McCain campaign debuted an attack ad claiming that as a state lawmaker in Illinois, Obama backed a bill to teach "comprehensive sex education" to kindergartners."
"Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family," the narrator of the advertisement said.
In reality, the legislation allowed local schools to teach "age-appropriate" sex education, meaning that kindergarten kids could be warned about sexual predators and inappropriate touching but not taught about sex.
The Obama camp hit back angrily at McCain over the advertisement.
"It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.
"Last week, John McCain told Time magazine he couldn't define what honor was. Now we know why."
The intense McCain barrage on Friday prompted the Obama campaign to launch a counter-attack, with ads which branded McCain as out of touch with the economic travails of everyday Americans and guilty of using smears against the Democrat.
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Unimagineably pathetic.
Obviously, the reason why these ads exist is because people are lazy. They want to be spoon fed.
I just saw an ad on my local channel stating Obama wants to implement another bailout plan worth $1 trillion. But what the ad doesn't tell you is that McCain, even last night, states he believes the government should buy back all sub-prime mortgaged houses!
God, it's so easy to deceive the idiots.
I just saw an ad on my local channel stating Obama wants to implement another bailout plan worth $1 trillion. But what the ad doesn't tell you is that McCain, even last night, states he believes the government should buy back all sub-prime mortgaged houses!
God, it's so easy to deceive the idiots.
the scary and really annoying thing is that not only the dems are using the attack ads but here in canada the conservatives have made it integral. same strategy too, personal attacks at the leader of the liberal party, stephane dion. this was unheard of, in a canadian election.
of course, it is so easy to mock dion
of course, it is so easy to mock dion
see i watched the whole 50 minutes of that hannity show that vinnie posted and i have to say hannity is a disgrace to journalism. honestly i do not need to hear his opinion in every statement, especially when he is trying to report FACTS on how obama and other community workers are fiends. he loses a lot of credibility.
see if you are trying to make the case that obama is anti-american, why do you need to state that you hate the fact he doesnt wear a flag-pin just fucking state the amount of time he hasnt worn one, and if it is not too much to ask, compare it to the amount of time he has worn one. you can go as far as quoting people who criticised him for not wearing one but do not, DO NOT, say that you dont like obama for doing that. it's not reporting the news.
see if you are trying to make the case that obama is anti-american, why do you need to state that you hate the fact he doesnt wear a flag-pin just fucking state the amount of time he hasnt worn one, and if it is not too much to ask, compare it to the amount of time he has worn one. you can go as far as quoting people who criticised him for not wearing one but do not, DO NOT, say that you dont like obama for doing that. it's not reporting the news.
He's a terrorist, he's the enemy, he's a traitor, et cetera, is what people shout at McCain/ Palin rallies. Notice how McCain has a little smirk at "he's a terrorist." Pleasant little gimp he is...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366.html
No matter how hard some people try, racism will always exist here. It's instinct to some animals.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366.html
No matter how hard some people try, racism will always exist here. It's instinct to some animals.
You'll alll hate me for this, but I'm going to say it anyway: in this respect Americans are retarded, just the way many Italians are retarded. I don't know what it is about certain countries that makes propaganda and the spreading of lies on their territories okay. In Belgium you see very few political ads (in Italy you see lots), and ads such as the ones McCain uses would be illegal. All Obama would have to do in Belgium is press charges, although it's quite likely that the state of Belgium would decide to sue McCain, even if Obama didn't do anything. Disgraceful really. And pretty funny, because you know who else use these tactics to win discussions?
That's right: Vinman.
That's right: Vinman.
But we're socialists with no concept of freedom of expression.
Btw I couldn't agree more. You'd never hear this kind of bs in Norway, meanwhile the slimy political climate in Poland seems to be imitating the yanks, it's sickening.
It's really interesting that there are no repercussions whatsoever to false advertising in political campaigns. If you're selling a product and you're bashing the competitor, you'll get in trouble for false advertising. But in politics you can say anything (in the same block of tv ads) and get away with it. There are just no standards whatsoever.
Btw I couldn't agree more. You'd never hear this kind of bs in Norway, meanwhile the slimy political climate in Poland seems to be imitating the yanks, it's sickening.
It's really interesting that there are no repercussions whatsoever to false advertising in political campaigns. If you're selling a product and you're bashing the competitor, you'll get in trouble for false advertising. But in politics you can say anything (in the same block of tv ads) and get away with it. There are just no standards whatsoever.
Which is a bit weird for a whole number of reasons. Because how do you know what someone's character really is like if he can't even communicate his ideas? And why would one be tempted to give the biggest political responsibility on the planet to a guy who can't even put his own ideas into words?
Well, let's just hope Obama wins. There might be hope for America, and the world, after all.
Well, let's just hope Obama wins. There might be hope for America, and the world, after all.
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