US Presidential Elections thread - the fate of the world to be decided (6 Viewers)
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I have to agree with Sergio that I'm not liking the candidates we have to choose from. I thought we could find somebody with a little more charisma, but unfortunately we have a person with great ideas who doesn't explain how to make things happen, and another who accuses the other as being the "most Liberal member of the US Senate". Like we haven't heard all that before.
Do I think one is better than the other? No. But my decsision is based on what is best for myself and my family.
Do I think one is better than the other? No. But my decsision is based on what is best for myself and my family.
Hey, Andy -- on that note, I only suggest that I wouldn't let ... as some would suggest ... the lack of major terrorist attacks in the U.S. since 9/11 sway your vote towards one candidate or the other. It was 8 1/2 years between the Feb 1993 terrorist attempt to take down the WTC and the time in Sep 2001 that it was taken down -- over two whole presidential administrations -- and over a period when anti-terrorist scrutiny was far more lax than it is today.
You had better believe that there are those with a sense of "unfinished business" on the D.C area with the planes that hit the secondary targets of the Pentagon and Pennsylvania on 9/11, and they've proven to be a very patient bunch...
You had better believe that there are those with a sense of "unfinished business" on the D.C area with the planes that hit the secondary targets of the Pentagon and Pennsylvania on 9/11, and they've proven to be a very patient bunch...
I understand that Swag, the National Security is a big issue, just as much as the state of our economy.
I have a feeling that the plane that crashed in Somerset County was heading to either Camp David (couple miles from my house) or to Fort Detrick (where my dad's lab is). A thank you goes out to those who stopped that plane from reaching its pre-determined destination.
I have a feeling that the plane that crashed in Somerset County was heading to either Camp David (couple miles from my house) or to Fort Detrick (where my dad's lab is). A thank you goes out to those who stopped that plane from reaching its pre-determined destination.
Yeah -- it's all name-calling. I never quite got it either. As I recall, "liberal" was being bandied about in U.S. presidential elections since the Reagan 1980s -- used as sort of the election equivalent of the 8-year-old who calls some other kid "gay".
Independent of the electionspeak, labels are what you fall back on when you have no coherent or constructive argument to make otherwise. (Some Kerry supporters are equally as guilty of this when they simply label Bush as a moron and stop there.) But candidates use the "liberal" label because it probably works in a lot of circles.
But even on those merits, I would hardly call John Kerry a liberal -- or anything close to the most-liberal-senator-who-ever-walked-the-face-of-the-earth. Paul Wellstone (God, I miss that guy -- he put all Capitol Hill people in their place) was definitely a liberal senator. But Kerry?
Independent of the electionspeak, labels are what you fall back on when you have no coherent or constructive argument to make otherwise. (Some Kerry supporters are equally as guilty of this when they simply label Bush as a moron and stop there.) But candidates use the "liberal" label because it probably works in a lot of circles.
But even on those merits, I would hardly call John Kerry a liberal -- or anything close to the most-liberal-senator-who-ever-walked-the-face-of-the-earth. Paul Wellstone (God, I miss that guy -- he put all Capitol Hill people in their place) was definitely a liberal senator. But Kerry?
Swag's right. It started with Ronald Reagan, and a lot of people (bith Democrats and Republicans) are thankful to him for that, he started to pertray Democrats as Liberals right when he ended up in the Oval Office in 1980.
Given his popularity (driven out of the "Reaganomics" and foreign policy), he's done a great job on that. "Liberal" since then has been a bad word in American Politics.
It took Democrats more than a decade to lift this "liberal" image off of them.
During his innagural speach in early 1993, Bill Clinton made a statement which until now I hear quoted on CNN frequently: "The era of big government is over".
Given his popularity (driven out of the "Reaganomics" and foreign policy), he's done a great job on that. "Liberal" since then has been a bad word in American Politics.
It took Democrats more than a decade to lift this "liberal" image off of them.
During his innagural speach in early 1993, Bill Clinton made a statement which until now I hear quoted on CNN frequently: "The era of big government is over".
Well Clinton looked at it from a broader perspective, than Bush has done. Clinton, realised, that an immediate retaliation would only mean more terrorist attacks, instead he went around promoting goodwill in other parts of the world, encouraging the global community to join hands in their war against terror. Bush on the other hand has taken things too far. He actually believes he has the right to wage war with any country he feels threatened by, and that to me is somthing that can potentially destroy world peace.
Andy, your sayng you dont like the candidates you have to choose from, your probably right. But then again, to me its basically a race for who is the lesser of two evils. And that's Kerry.
Andy, your sayng you dont like the candidates you have to choose from, your probably right. But then again, to me its basically a race for who is the lesser of two evils. And that's Kerry.
I think Bill Clinton was an OK President.
During his first term he made only two major mistakes: started an initiative to reform medicare which was totally KILLED in Congress, and initiated this "don't ask don't tell" gays in military policy, which was also heavily screwtinized and eventually killed.
But, he was the first modern President to balance the budget and actually have a surplus.
During his first term he made only two major mistakes: started an initiative to reform medicare which was totally KILLED in Congress, and initiated this "don't ask don't tell" gays in military policy, which was also heavily screwtinized and eventually killed.
But, he was the first modern President to balance the budget and actually have a surplus.
I have to agree, Clinton was a great President. Like I have said before about the budget, that is an admirable accomplishment, something I hope our current Leader or future leader could do. Of course hard Conservatives will point fingers at Bill's personal life (ie Monica) because they have nowhere else to point towards, as he was not really faultering in most of his decisions as an acting President.
Hmmm, so if I follow this logic, if George Bush v1.0 got re-elected instead of Clinton, all the Islamic death cult fanatics would have said, "Oh -- well, now that George is still in office, I don't care if he got the world to put troops on Arab soil ... particularly in the holiest places in the Koran in Saudi Arabia. We're afraid of him and we better not do anything, because he might do something that could defend his nation against guerrila attacks from a nationless terror organization..."
Err... uhhh... I'm still thinking about this one, but it just isn't coming to me.
Err... uhhh... I'm still thinking about this one, but it just isn't coming to me.
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