US Presidential Elections 2012 (18 Viewers)

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,291
Ron Paul has a lot great things to say, but I can never take him seriously when he refuses to move from out of the shadow of the GOP. If he went independent, he'd have no chance of winning (not that he does now), but he'd definitely offer a competitive third party and share his message with a way broader group of people.
I agree with that.

Maybe, but he's too much of a pussy, so we'll never find out.
Not so sure I would label him that when he goes against the grain so much in session against the Fed. He doesn't have the financial backing of banks or lobbyists, obviously, so he can't campaign like the rest of the puppets. I would say it is the lack of understanding of the general populous that makes him a "pussy."

And look at Obama today, he's going to raise taxes on everyone. God, he is such a liar and POS.
 

acmilan

Plusvalenza Akbar
Nov 8, 2005
10,722
I agree with that.



Not so sure I would label him that when he goes against the grain so much in session against the Fed. He doesn't have the financial backing of banks or lobbyists, obviously, so he can't campaign like the rest of the puppets. I would say it is the lack of understanding of the general populous that makes him a "pussy."

And look at Obama today, he's going to raise taxes on everyone. God, he is such a liar and POS.
that was more clueless and untrue of a statement than you'd find even on the fair and balanced network aka BMN
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
I agree with that.



Not so sure I would label him that when he goes against the grain so much in session against the Fed. He doesn't have the financial backing of banks or lobbyists, obviously, so he can't campaign like the rest of the puppets. I would say it is the lack of understanding of the general populous that makes him a "pussy."

And look at Obama today, he's going to raise taxes on everyone. God, he is such a liar and POS.
You can say that again.

@ your sig: reading Hayek. Thoughts?
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,291
that was more clueless and untrue of a statement than you'd find even on the fair and balanced network aka BMN
Did you actually listen to what he said today? He said that if we do not find a bipartisan way to balance the budget, the government would need to raise taxes on everyone.

Obviously, that is true. What he failed to mention was that his party is inherently unable to balance the budget as their entire existence depends upon supposed "stimulus" and entitlement spending. Moreover, it's common knowledge that the Democrats will not cut these social programs (even Liberals like swag admit that), so Obama is essentially laying the framework to blame the Republicans for whatever "differences" they have in balancing the budget... even when they really don't have any differences at all.

Obama has no intention of curtailing spending.

Clueless... whatever. I think Democrats owe an apology to the two-term Bush voters. Fox News called, they want their entitlement to hypocrisy back.



You can say that again.

@ your sig: reading Hayek. Thoughts?
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Better than Keynes. Keynes is a clown, but supported by Democrats and Republicans.

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My girlfriend's taxes went up significantly under Obongo, and we are planing accordingly. Very smart girl.
 

acmilan

Plusvalenza Akbar
Nov 8, 2005
10,722
Did you actually listen to what he said today? He said that if we do not find a bipartisan way to balance the budget, the government would need to raise taxes on everyone.

Obviously, that is true. What he failed to mention was that his party is inherently unable to balance the budget as their entire existence depends upon supposed "stimulus" and entitlement spending. Moreover, it's common knowledge that the Democrats will not cut these social programs (even Liberals like swag admit that), so Obama is essentially laying the framework to blame the Republicans for whatever "differences" they have in balancing the budget... even when they really don't have any differences at all.

Obama has no intention of curtailing spending.

Clueless... whatever. I think Democrats owe an apology to the two-term Bush voters. Fox News called, they want their entitlement to hypocrisy back.



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Better than Keynes. Keynes is a clown, but supported by Democrats and Republicans.

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My girlfriend's taxes went up significantly under Obongo, and we are planing accordingly. Very smart girl.
I do think you need to lay off the fox news drivel channel as your main source of news and/or the bong - just because some states voted to become "grassier" a couple of days ago that doesn't mean you should be wasted 24/7 :)

here is a link, and please read it carefully so that we don't have to waste time on the obvious:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/politics/obama-fiscal-cliff/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

in short, the bush-taxcuts are about to expire, which automatically returns the level of taxes to the higher Clinton-era ones ... What Obama wants for the new taxcuts he plans to impose is that they stay the same for those with less than 250K, while the rest get a hike - 98% of people and 97% of business are in that sub-250k category.

hopefully a more careful read would avoid unnecessary discussions. Which brings me to a Q - do you think it's a coincidence that during the Clinton era this country had it's healthiest budget of all time, while the tax levels were higher ... and the country hit rock-bottom, while the lower level taxes imposed by Bush to gain him popularity for a 2nd term were enforced ... all that while plunging the nation into 2 wars?

somehow I don't remember people, and more precisely fat-ass, freedom-loving, government-hating rednecks, dying from hunger on the streets during the Clinton era just because they had to pay slightly higher taxes but then again they might start dying now with a black guy with a muslim name in office. who knows really, life has its mysterious ways ...

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You can say that again.

@ your sig: reading Hayek. Thoughts?
indeed - too bad Romney didn't win 'cause then we would have at least had a pres who could never possibly lie or be wrong on any issue seeing as he would have covered/stood on all possible sides to it at least twice.

damn latino, black, etc freeloaders
 

Rollie

Senior Member
Apr 15, 2008
5,143
Here's a link to Obama's 8min clip on the economy, from earlier today. Tax cuts are going to expire Jan. 1, period. Obie would like to act now, and immediately extend current rates for the middle class (98% of pop, 97% of small businesses by their definitions/numbers), while they work on the framework for a larger "deficit reduction package", and deal with proposed tax increases for those making 250K+ (proposed increase, per the cbc article, is 35% to 39.6%), etc. Senate has already passed the proposed bill, the process is currently in the hands of the house.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/11/09/obama-fiscal-cliff.html
 

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