US Presidential Elections 2012 (8 Viewers)

[Hust]

He had the best ideas out of any candidates.

He had some good ideas sure, but would have wrecked havoc in Washington for sure. Probably completely dismantling the Democrats, which personally I'd have no problem with. (hate me if you'd like)

You won't find a perfect candidate, as Andy said, we don't live in a perfect society with far too many opposing opinions...which is why you need to find a moderate to run anymore. The US needs a president that brings bipartisan politics back...bridge the two parties together and hopefully the find issues they can cooperate on. Alas the damage here is pretty significant I think, but personally I think Obama has to go.

 

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[ALC]

Ron Paul was too extreme to ever even have a chance. You need a middle ground to gain the Independents as well as those on your side. Choosing Ron Paul, as fun as it might have been, would have been a disaster. Obama in a landslide.

I lean towards Democrats and I would've voted Ron Paul had he got elected.

 

[ZoSo]

He had some good ideas sure, but would have wrecked havoc in Washington for sure. Probably completely dismantling the Democrats, which personally I'd have no problem with. (hate me if you'd like)

You won't find a perfect candidate, as Andy said, we don't live in a perfect society with far too many opposing opinions...which is why you need to find a moderate to run anymore. The US needs a president that brings bipartisan politics back...bridge the two parties together and hopefully the find issues they can cooperate on. Alas the damage here is pretty significant I think, but personally I think Obama has to go.

I don't really agree, country first in my opinion and I think Ron Paul would do the best job. But my opinion doesn't work in real life also so...

 

[IrishZebra]

He seems to me to be a person that has arrived at conservative/libertarian conclusions without the backing of big business.


Which means he's come to such conclusions on his own, which makes him ridiculous at best.


Edit: The Country First argument is not valid for a globe-spanning empire that interferes everywhere, accept the responsibility of your actions.

 

[Hust]

I don't really agree, country first in my opinion and I think Ron Paul would do the best job. But my opinion doesn't work in real life also so...

Country first absolutely.

But in all honesty, democrats would have shit a brick if RP became president primarily on his views on abortion, free trade, hating Obamacare, etc. I like him a lot because he has a far right approach that more or less says screw everyone else lets fix Home first. But I'm telling you, extreme left and extreme right are not nearly has numerous as everyone in between. Voting someone like that will never happen for president.

That's like lefties voting Al Sharpton or something.

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He seems to me to be a person that has arrived at conservative/libertarian conclusions without the backing of big business.


Which means he's come to such conclusions on his own, which makes him ridiculous at best.


Edit: The Country First argument is not valid for a globe-spanning empire that interferes everywhere, accept the responsibility of your actions.

What responsibility for our actions? I have no problem pulling the foreign aid plug on countries that can't do anything on their own and bring our military back here and let everyone else fight their own battles. Makes no difference to me.

I'm tired of being blamed for the worlds problems.

 

[IrishZebra]

Fix Home First...before fixing problems you created...

What a magnificent attitude to have.


Of Course really it's all France and England Fault.

 

[ZoSo]

I know, that's why I said my opinion doesn't work in real life. The problem is there are so many things in the USA that need to be fixed that you need someone as extreme as Ron Paul to fix the country. See, if someone like that was a candidate for the next election here, I certainly wouldn't vote for him/her because such actions are not needed in Australia at the moment.

 

[Hust]

Fix Home First...before fixing problems you created...

What a magnificent attitude to have.


Of Course really it's all France and England Fault.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid

So every country we give aid to is because we are the cause of their problems? lol

Like I said...cut foreign aid to hostile nations and let them fend for themselves.

yes, its a great idea.

 

[Martin]

Obviously, Martina. I'm saying cut the "aid". Doesn't matter at all what it "actually" is, does it?

Calling it aid is rhetoric. As in "we're helping those poor people". And therefore it gives the impression that you are supporting someone by sacrificing yourself. And it's total bs, there's no sacrifice in the picture. It's about (as everything is) maintaining and extending America's influence in the world.

 

[Hust]

I know, that's why I said my opinion doesn't work in real life. The problem is there are so many things in the USA that need to be fixed that you need someone as extreme as Ron Paul to fix the country. See, if someone like that was a candidate for the next election here, I certainly wouldn't vote for him/her because such actions are not needed in Australia at the moment.

Doesn't necessarily matter though, is what I am saying. Even if RP was president he would still have to gather enough votes in Congress to pass his plans, which might not always happen, depending on who has the majority.

 

[ZoSo]

Fix Home First...before fixing problems you created...

What a magnificent attitude to have.


Of Course really it's all France and England Fault.

That would be a great presidential campaign. Could you imagine? 'Fuck all you guys, I'm gonna help all the other countries first.'

 

[Hust]

Calling it aid is rhetoric. As in "we're helping those poor people". And therefore it gives the impression that you are supporting someone by sacrificing yourself. And it's total bs, there's no sacrifice in the picture. It's about (as everything is) maintaining and extending America's influence in the world.

I don't doubt most of it is, can't say for certain its "all" as you say but yet, obviously a lot is. I know where you are going with it, and I don't disagree. I'm saying just pull the plug on it.

 

[ZoSo]

Doesn't necessarily matter though, is what I am saying. Even if RP was president he would still have to gather enough votes in Congress to pass his plans, which might not always happen, depending on who has the majority.

Yeah I guess that is another problem...but still I'm sure he still would have been able to implement some things.

 

[ALC]

Country first absolutely.

But in all honesty, democrats would have shit a brick if RP became president primarily on his views on abortion, free trade, hating Obamacare, etc. I like him a lot because he has a far right approach that more or less says screw everyone else lets fix Home first. But I'm telling you, extreme left and extreme right are not nearly has numerous as everyone in between. Voting someone like that will never happen for president.

That's like lefties voting Al Sharpton or something.

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What responsibility for our actions? I have no problem pulling the foreign aid plug on countries that can't do anything on their own and bring our military back here and let everyone else fight their own battles. Makes no difference to me.

I'm tired of being blamed for the worlds problems.

Totally disagree. More dems would vote Ron Paul than Mitt Romney. If anyone looked like they didn't like RP, it was the Republicans. They shot themselves in the foot by electing MR. He basically gifted the presidency to Obama.

 

[Hust]

Yeah I guess that is another problem...but still I'm sure he still would have been able to implement some things.

And yes I agree in the sense that sometimes you need someone extreme to fix something so drastic. But it rarely works here when you have majorities that think otherwise.

That's why I believe in small government and let the everyday man/woman make decisions on their own lives.

We know what we want and whats best for our lives down to our everyday lives, we don't need government telling us how to spend our own money, etc.

 

[Martin]

The US needs a president that brings bipartisan politics back...bridge the two parties together and hopefully the find issues they can cooperate on.

Are you just theorizing here or do you have anyone specific in mind? Because Obama has tried to do just that, he's made an insane amount of concessions to the Republicans in the hope of staying popular. So that makes him a failure both in bipartisan politics *and* promoting any meaningful positive policy.

 

[ZoSo]

And yes I agree in the sense that sometimes you need someone extreme to fix something so drastic. But it rarely works here when you have majorities that think otherwise.

That's why I believe in small government and let the everyday man/woman make decisions on their own lives.

We know what we want and whats best for our lives down to our everyday lives, we don't need government telling us how to spend our own money, etc.

All the bureaucrats and middle men should die. Well not all, but I'm sure there are many that aren't even close to necessary.

 

[Martin]

Doesn't necessarily matter though, is what I am saying. Even if RP was president he would still have to gather enough votes in Congress to pass his plans, which might not always happen, depending on who has the majority.

Cool. Just wanted to make that point cause it pisses me off how often people bring that up as an attempt to victimize themselves.

 

[Hust]

Totally disagree. More dems would vote Ron Paul than Mitt Romney. If anyone looked like they didn't like RP, it was the Republicans. They shot themselves in the foot by electing MR. He basically gifted the presidency to Obama.

lol gifted the presidency to Obama? How the fuck so? Do you not read the news? Maybe you read the wrong news, who knows. What makes Romney not up to the job, but Obama is?

Democrats that would NOT vote for RP:
-activitists
-environmentalists
-a lot of women (abortion, health care, etc)
-lower middle class, below poverty line as well.

That's a lot of people that I can think of that wouldn't vote for RP just based off of his policies. Like I said, I'd think voting RP as president would effectively mean the end of the Dem Party as we currently know it.

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Cool. Just wanted to make that point cause it pisses me off how often people bring that up as an attempt to victimize themselves.

I'm not trying to victimize myself, if that's what you are thinking. We have "some" good intentions, but as we know its not always what it looks like on the outside.

 

[Martin]

I don't really agree, country first in my opinion and I think Ron Paul would do the best job. But my opinion doesn't work in real life also so...

At the very least, if RP is serious about his ideas (and not-sure-if-serious comes to mind a lot when I listen to him), it would be a boon to Australia. To actually have a relatively independent state without big brother dictating what to do.