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Dostoevsky

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But the US runs by debt. It just doesn't make sense for a country of that size to suddenly change the way it operates (and it would probably be impossible anyway, or would take a very long time. Obviously the amount of being owed per year (not net) could reduce but there isn't really any other way than to run on debt.
I agree. But to let them continue doing the same stuff is just wrong, because their debt will just rise and future generations will only suffer.

After Bretton Woods we had no system, which is kinda horrible and is why we're at this mess.
 

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ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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We won't pay it back if Obama is reelected.

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Increasing debt in giving federal funding to failed companies like the one I posted.
You won't pay it back. Americans should have voted for Ron Paul.

Yeah well of course they can be a lot smarter with their money but no debt is frankly a dumb idea or one of misunderstanding.

I agree. But to let them continue doing the same stuff is just wrong, because their debt will just rise and future generations will only suffer.

After Bretton Woods we had no system, which is kinda horrible and is why we're at this mess.
A lot can be changed but still the US (and most countries) will run on debt. It's how the economy works really, by borrowing.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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You won't pay it back. Americans should have voted for Ron Paul.

Yeah well of course they can be a lot smarter with their money but no debt is frankly a dumb idea or one of misunderstanding.



A lot can be changed but still the US (and most countries) will run on debt. It's how the economy works really, by borrowing.
True. We will always have debt. Our ability to pay it back was always a reason why we had it, we could invest accordingly because we had the credit ratings to allow investors to feel secure. Now its different, and this admins willingness to spend is troubling.

I agree with Andy in pulling the plug on foreign disputes (not decrease in defense spending, from a technology point of view).

Also say fuck off to some foreign aid to hostile nations would be a good starting point.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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True. We will always have debt. Our ability to pay it back was always a reason why we had it, we could invest accordingly because we had the credit ratings to allow investors to feel secure. Now its different, and this admins willingness to spend is troubling.

I agree with Andy in pulling the plug on foreign disputes (not decrease in defense spending, from a technology point of view).

Also say fuck off to some foreign aid to hostile nations would be a good starting point.
America needs to cut out the middle man.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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So we have a chance to be together, after all.

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I like points 1-6.

For point 7, I'd just through them into an Occupy camp with a Scarlett Letter.
I would throw them into a giant meat grinder and feed them to the dogs.

The problem with that scenario is marshal law would probably never be rescinded once power is given its rarely given back
Well yeah, that was why it was a joke. In a perfect world it would work, but in a perfect world we wouldn't have traitors and idiots running around in an endless free-for-all.

Martial Law is already here with the NDAA anyway. Supposed authorities can arrest anybody on suspicion of terrorism charges and people love it. It's a failing state and in another 100 years the history books will say why did nobody see it coming.

Although, I suppose the one bright spot for us is that we can then spend decades throwing a pity-party, building settlements and stealing land wherever we want. I choose Northern Italy and Tahiti, please. Maybe we can create a Gaza around Milan.

Sadly, this is never going to happen.

- There will be more too big to fail banks
- More QE
- Finance debt with more debt

That's more likely the future case.. not so surprising, though.
Of course, that is the solution for everything.

I meant that more on a smaller scale, for Australia it's mostly okay but yeah for the US it's not. But the thing is there's like a 99.9999% chance the US will never pay that all back so it doesn't really matter anyway. 40-50% of the debt is owned by other countries...
Wrong, we can pay it back easily. All we need to do is print money. And then everyone else will have to make-do with our debased currency. Maybe the Chinese can cook up some mighty egg rolls with that paper.

Yeah well of course they can be a lot smarter with their money but no debt is frankly a dumb idea or one of misunderstanding.

A lot can be changed but still the US (and most countries) will run on debt. It's how the economy works really, by borrowing.
But that sounds like the Keynesian approach. Saving and investment is what should run the economy, not spending beyond your means. That's Ponzi Finance. Keynes never even would have preached that governments could run huge deficits during times of expansion and contraction, but that is what folks like Paul Krugman purport, along with others who are really just faux-Keynesians. Honestly, calling people Keynesians is really an insult to Keynes, they're just a bunch of big government retards.

America needs to cut out the middle man.
America needs to cut out the banker man.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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Wrong, we can pay it back easily. All we need to do is print money. And then everyone else will have to make-do with our debased currency. Maybe the Chinese can cook up some mighty egg rolls with that paper.



But that sounds like the Keynesian approach. Saving and investment is what should run the economy, not spending beyond your means. That's Ponzi Finance. Keynes never even would have preached that governments could run huge deficits during times of expansion and contraction, but that is what folks like Paul Krugman purport, along with others who are really just faux-Keynesians. Honestly, calling people Keynesians is really an insult to Keynes, they're just a bunch of big government retards.



America needs to cut out the banker man.
Yeah just inflate the economy ridiculously, great idea!


Don't you think it's a bit difficult to do that right now with a nation of 300+ million? Cover all their needs + save and invest enough to be sustainable in the future. It would be possible if foresight was 20/20.


Banker/bureaucrat/middle man etc.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,527
Yeah just inflate the economy ridiculously, great idea!


Don't you think it's a bit difficult to do that right now with a nation of 300+ million? Cover all their needs + save and invest enough to be sustainable in the future. It would be possible if foresight was 20/20.
I'm not quite sure what you mean here. You say debt runs the economy, but then make a joke about expanding the currency.

Well, which one is it? You love debt, apparently, so you better love currency debasement.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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There's a middle ground. US inflation now is about 1.5%. Printing enough to pay back the entire debt would be ridiculous.
 

IrishZebra

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Jun 18, 2006
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There's a middle ground. US inflation now is about 1.5%. Printing enough to pay back the entire debt would be ridiculous.
There's nothing to say that a 'sustainable' (gay word) by which I mean satisfactory static debt level couldn't be reached within the confines of acceptable inflation levels, If you trim it and make sure it doesn't grow back, you won't have a hairy financial asscrack.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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What do you mean by acceptable? The same thing could be done by the government doing its job properly anyway.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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That will ensure stability for years to come :agree:
Who cares. Everyone bitches when we intervene so they can fuck off and handle their own affairs while we rebuild our economy and maintain the strongest military in the world.

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MR is failure. Typical american voters. They should have voted for Ron Paul.
Not sure how anything will be worse than another 4 years of this asshole

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I don't really know his policies but if he's anti-healthcare, meh.
Yes, that's what he is. Anti-healthcare. All republicans don't believe in healthcare. lol
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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I don't really know his policies but if he's anti-healthcare, meh.
He could actually fix the country..or at least he would realistically try. But the corporations and people with all the money & power would never let him get near power anyway.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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MR is failure. Typical american voters. They should have voted for Ron Paul.
Ron Paul was too extreme to ever even have a chance. You need a middle ground to gain the Independents as well as those on your side. Choosing Ron Paul, as fun as it might have been, would have been a disaster. Obama in a landslide.
 

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