US Presidential Elections 2012 (35 Viewers)

[Maddy]

Isn't the average for US like 18%?

I think sub-prime lending was a contributor, not sole reason. Address this and how easy it is for people to get financing with poor credit or high risk lending to be more specific. Attempt to lower oil prices to assist in increasing productivity.

How do you fix unemployment? Go.

you failed at dealing with the recession i created by raising the taxes. your people has turned against you and you been hung mussolini style

 

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[swag]

I'm not sure I like this interactive video game.

 

[Hust]

you failed at dealing with the recession i created by raising the taxes. your people has turned against you and you been hung mussolini style

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I thought you were asking how would I deal with the recession that WE had. I thought you were referring to the 2008 recession "causes". Be more specific.

 

[Raz]

I'm not sure I like this interactive video game.

Video games are cool to pass time and be content though.

 

[Hust]

I'm not sure I like this interactive video game.

Greg:

You are just appointed Speaker of the House replacing boner.

How would you, as a staunch republican, cooperate with BO in reducing the debt and under what grounds would you agree to a plan AS a reublican?

Ready? GO!

 

[swag]

Greg:

You are just appointed Speaker of the House replacing boner.

How would you, as a staunch republican, cooperate with BO in reducing the debt and under what grounds would you agree to a plan AS a reublican?

Ready? GO!

Bulldoze Mexico, enslave the Mayans, make them build a new temple to Ronald Reagan before the Dec 21 apocalypse, and pay down the debt with crystal meth profits.

 

[Hust]

Realistic. That's why you are a moderator.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Bulldoze Mexico, enslave the Mayans, make them build a new temple to Ronald Reagan before the Dec 21 apocalypse, and pay down the debt with crystal meth profits.

wait wait wait, no mo immos means no mo excuses for rednecks, means drop in meth sales, flawed, this is flaaaawed

 

[Enron]

Greg:

You are just appointed Speaker of the House replacing boner.

How would you, as a staunch republican, cooperate with BO in reducing the debt and under what grounds would you agree to a plan AS a reublican?

Ready? GO!

I'd hit the debt ceiling just cause I could.

 

[Nzoric]

you failed at dealing with the recession i created by raising the taxes. your people has turned against you and you been hung mussolini style

release the army on the people.

 

[Rollie]

wait wait wait, no mo immos means no mo excuses for rednecks, means drop in meth sales, flawed, this is flaaaawed

Checkmate.

 

[swag]

It's been far too long since I read the phrase "filthy immos" on the Tuz.

 

[swag]

You know, it just dawned on me what this country needs for a political party. It's perhaps the antithesis of a political party, but it sort of summarizes what I think is so horribly wrong with politics in this country. What we need isn't Democrats or Republicans, it's the "Rational Party" -- or the "Reality Party".

Now bear with me, because as we all know people vote with their emotions and not on rational thought -- and at some level ideology has to play. But that's precisely what I want to vote against.

I want to vote for data and factual evidence-based decisions and against emotionalism. Because that's where parties, in my mind, get in deep trouble. It's the idea that the odds of one lazy citizen on the country dole throws the baby out with the bathwater, so we want to blanket eliminate all good social programs that are helping people who can benefit, stand on their own two feet, and contribute back to society.

It's the idea that it isn't better to kill that one possible intruder in my home with an automatic weapon and risk killing 20 other family members and friends -- just on principle.

It's the idea that when the facts don't line up to support your emotional arguments, you refute it with the creation of myths to support those ideals -- whether it is how you fund children's education or whether you want to believe that identity fraud is skewing elections or a woman who is raped might not be irrational in wanting an abortion.

If handing out condoms in high schools prevents teen pregnancy and we have the evidence to show that, then screw the people who want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that their teenage kids aren't having sex. Let's blow up that myth right now and face reality.

Or that every year in my state there's some new education-based bond measure on the ballot, and are kids just keep getting dumber. Let's acknowledge that trying to throw more money at it every year isn't the solution.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

or maybe it is voting/democracy that is at fault for the very reasons you detailed above

 

[Brandmon]

You know, it just dawned on me what this country needs for a political party. It's perhaps the antithesis of a political party, but it sort of summarizes what I think is so horribly wrong with politics in this country. What we need isn't Democrats or Republicans, it's the "Rational Party" -- or the "Reality Party".

Now bear with me, because as we all know people vote with their emotions and not on rational thought -- and at some level ideology has to play. But that's precisely what I want to vote against.

I want to vote for data and factual evidence-based decisions and against emotionalism. Because that's where parties, in my mind, get in deep trouble. It's the idea that the odds of one lazy citizen on the country dole throws the baby out with the bathwater, so we want to blanket eliminate all good social programs that are helping people who can benefit, stand on their own two feet, and contribute back to society.

It's the idea that it isn't better to kill that one possible intruder in my home with an automatic weapon and risk killing 20 other family members and friends -- just on principle.

It's the idea that when the facts don't line up to support your emotional arguments, you refute it with the creation of myths to support those ideals -- whether it is how you fund children's education or whether you want to believe that identity fraud is skewing elections or a woman who is raped might not be irrational in wanting an abortion.

If handing out condoms in high schools prevents teen pregnancy and we have the evidence to show that, then screw the people who want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that their teenage kids aren't having sex. Let's blow up that myth right now and face reality.

Or that every year in my state there's some new education-based bond measure on the ballot, and are kids just keep getting dumber. Let's acknowledge that trying to throw more money at it every year isn't the solution.

China will sooner get a third party of its own rather than the US would get the correct third party.

 

[swag]

or maybe it is voting/democracy that is at fault for the very reasons you detailed above

It kind of is. Which is why I worry that doing anything based on truth or rationality is impossible in politics. That means you're kinda f%$#ed no matter.

China will sooner get a third party of its own rather than the US would get the correct third party.

They have a second??

 

[Trequartista]

They have a second??

Yep, the party of the people who want to get jailed

 

[Brandmon]

It kind of is. Which is why I worry that doing anything based on truth or rationality is impossible in politics. That means you're kinda f%$#ed no matter.

The problem really is the democratic system there at its core. It encourages a two party state which is in turn fuelled by drama. Elections in the US from start to finish are less about policies and solutions and more on gaffes and zingers. Democracy is seen as confrontation: Liberal vs Conservative, Right vs Left, Right vs Wrong, Red States vs Blue States, Us vs Them. A democratic system where Independent is a valid political position is a failure because it is an admission that the system can't be bothered to represent sections of its society properly. It is these independent that are supposed to form the basis of newer parties or support existing alternatives as they are the younger generation: well informed politically yet open to new ideas. Independents in the US don't bother to go out voting because the system leaves them no chance or just vote against the candidate they particularly don't like. Independents here in Europe are forming Pirate Parties by now.

And that is the thing. You cannot expect the possibility of a realistic political alternative until the system changes to allow for it. Changes to aspects such as the voting system (FPTP was good for the 19th Century but now we can do better) and Party funding (good luck encouraging the Dems and GOP to step away from the billions they are getting without triggering a civil war). Then once you have the possibility of alternatives having a chance, democracy would allow for the rational results. People would not be voting for Party A because Party B would ruin our country, but vote for Party A because they best represent their views amongst all choices. Then the democratic dialogue would be constructive not confrontational. But with little chance, those who hold different views are left out of the political process and, hey presto, the system just consists of the two same sets of idiots over and over again.

Despite all my bashing of US politics, I really think that the demographics represent a more rational viewpoint. You mustn't see the Red-Blue picture and see who voted, but see who didn't vote. Who would the 60% of eligible voters in the US that don't even bother to show up for midterm elections vote for, if given a proper choice? I would think a Rational Party very possible in the US. But it first needs to be a possibility.

They have a second??

Nope. There is always a first time for everything.

I doubt the world ends before the 22nd Century anyway.

 

[swag]

Yep, the party of the people who want to get jailed

The People's Incarcerated Party.

 

[Martin]

The People's Incarcerated Party.

By that principle the US also has a third, sizeable, party