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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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Juventus vow to continue fight in civil courts


ROME (AFP) - Fallen Italian giants Juventus vowed they would not be bullied out of going before the civil courts despite being warned against this course of action by the Italian football federation (FIGC) and threats that the national side could be expelled from the Euro 2008 qualifiers.

Juve's lawyer Riccardo Montanaro is convinced that they can win their appeal before the Italian courts.

"We're convinced we're in the right because we're applying an Italian State law," said Montanaro.

According to Italian news agency ANSA a decision whether to go to the civil courts will be officially confirmed on Thursday.

Such a course of action would be against the regulations of football's world ruling body FIFA.

AFP
 

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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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Lazio lose match-fixing appeal



ROME (AFP) - Disgraced Italian team Lazio's appeal to the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) against their match-fixing penalty has failed, lawyers for the Roman club confirmed.

Lazio were docked 11 points for the new season and were kicked out of European competition and fined 100,000 euros having originally qualified for the UEFA Cup from last season's league finish.

However the original punishment before their initial appeal had seen them demoted to Serie B, though, even the reduced sentence was too much for them.

"As things stand there has been no conciliation and we will go before the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI)," lawyer Gianmichele Gentile said after the meeting.

Lazio, who had been demanding a reduction in the penalty, will now take their appeal before CONI.

"The FIGC appreciated the willingness to remain in the sporting domain and to hand the judgement to the appeal court," said lawyer Maurizio Benincasaa.

"The parties weren't in agreement but in the second phase of discussion everyone expressed the desire to keep this affair in the sporting domain."

AFP
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Juve appeal to TAR
Thursday 24 August, 2006

Channel4.com wrote:

Juventus officially presented their Calciopoli appeal to the TAR Lazio tribunal on Thursday, ignoring the FIGC and FIFA’s angry warnings.

The Bianconeri failed in their conciliation with the Italian Football Federation last week and decided on Monday to lodge an appeal to the civil court, in the hopes of being reinstated to Serie A.

Juve were stripped of two Scudetti and demoted to Serie B with a 17-point deduction as a consequence of the match-fixing scandal.

The Turin club decided to continue its legal fight, ignoring the threatening statements coming from both the Italian and International Federation.

The FIGC stated they were ready to dock even more points if any scandal-hit club were to go to the civil courts.

FIFA confirmed on Wednesday that the situation would be “monitored carefully” and further decisions might be taken, should the circumstances require them.

The TAR Lazio may now schedule an extra hearing in August to specifically discuss Juve’s case.

The new season is set to kick-off on September 9 and both the FIGC and the Lega Calcio have guaranteed that there will be no further delays.
 

ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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Juventus will appeal despite warning


MILAN, Italy (AP) -- Juventus formally notified an administrative court in Rome that it will appeal its sentence in a match-fixing scandal -- despite the Italian soccer federation warning this could trigger further disciplinary action.

The news agency ANSA reported that Juventus had filed its appeal on Thursday but club spokesman Roberto Patriarca told The Associated Press that the club had only notified the civil court.

"Juventus has sent a notification of its intention to appeal," Patriarca said Thursday. "In the next few days the physical appeal will be lodged."

"The procedure is underway," Juventus president Giovanni Cobolli Gigli told news agency ANSA.

Cobolli Gigli added that Juventus' recourse to court was unavoidable as "the severity of the sanctions is unjustified" and that there was "a lack of fair treatment by comparison to all the other clubs involved."

Associated Press
 

ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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Juventus launch appeal over match fixing


MILAN (Reuters) - Juventus have launched an appeal with a civil court to overturn their relegation for match fixing despite a threat of extra sanctions from Italy's football federation, a spokesman for the club said on Thursday.

The Italian football federation (FIGC) has said it would impose extra sanctions on Juventus if they turned to the regional Lazio court.

Despite the threat, Juventus have initiated the appeals procedure by informing the FIGC that they will be filing an official request at the Lazio court, a source close to Juventus told Reuters.

"We accept the risk" of FIGC sanctions, a Juventus spokesman said. "The priority is the defence of the rights of the shareholders."

The FICG declined to comment on the appeal.

In their 53-page appeals filing, Juventus ask the civil court to elevate the club to Serie A and to reinstate its two titles, the source close to Juventus said. The filing will soon be presented to the Lazio court.

Juventus have also sent their appeals filing to Inter:D and Messina as they benefited from the Turin club's relegation -- Inter by being awarded last year's Serie A title and Messina by not being demoted to Serie B -- the source said.

Juve shares were down 3.61 percent at 1.79 euros (1.21 pounds) at 2:11 p.m.

Reuters
 

ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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Cobolli: “TAR - procedure under way”


Just before the press conference which unveiled Jean-Alain Boumsong in Bianconeri colours, Juventus chairman Giovanni Cobolli Gigli spoke about the clubs’s appeal to the TAR: "The procedure is under way. I’ve spent the last few days carefully reading the documents put together by our lawyers and, reading them from as neutral a point of view as possible, I’ve noticed that are arguments are very well written. I continue to say with the utmost peace of mind that there has been too great a disparity between the treatment of ourselves and the other clubs; we are merely calling for similar treatment”.

We have reluctantly abandoned the sporting justice system – Cobolli continued – but we had to do this to protect ourselves, for the good of the club and the fans. We have 25% of Italy’s football supporters, it’s their right and our duty to take this course of action. We have come to the conclusion that the penalty would be greater than a team could realistically accept. In Serie B, the situation would be very serious from an economic point of view also”.

There is still time for the Arbitrato (30 days from the appointment with the Camera di Conciliazione del CONI), and it’s an option we are considering”.

The CONI? It has a job to do. Of course, this is a situation of some discomfort, but we wish to respect the ruling football bodies, even if we are in a contentious period at the moment. We are actually keen to play a part in a revision of the rules that govern football. The problem with FIFA will be addressed subsequently by the FIGC. In this case I’m optimistic”.

Juventus.com
 

Mark

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Dec 19, 2003
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Moggi goes on the attack

Friday 25 August, 2006
Disgraced former Juventus director Luciano Moggi is back and is not afraid of slating the entire world of Italian football.

The ex-director general was placed at the centre of the Calciopoli probe after his intercepted phone calls were published in the media and was handed a five-year ban by the sporting justice system, but Moggi refutes the idea that he was the only one responsible.

“I will not accept that myself and Antonio Giraudo are considered the only guilty parties in this issue,” said Moggi in a Press Conference in Siena.

“If the verdicts are being gradually reduced and there are no more corrupt parties, that means that we are not guilty of corrupting anybody. You need to prove there has been wrongdoing to accuse someone and in this case there is no proof, only hypotheses,” added Big Luciano.

The former Juve official denied that referee Massimo De Santis ever favoured the Bianconeri and once again asked for proof of the 'Moggi System’ referred to in the scandal.

“The trial has not proved the existence of any effective match-fixing and all the referees have been acquitted, I believe that doesn’t need any further explanation. We have been accused of trying to arrange some matches, but we never received the list of incriminated games.”

Moggi also added that he doesn’t think it was fair to assign the Scudetto to Inter, seeing that Juve earned it on the pitch.

“I hear everyone talk about the Scudetto of honesty, but can we say that a club who fielded players with a false passport is really honest?” he said, referring to the scandal involving Inter player Alvaro Recoba.

“If the title really needed to be reassigned, it should have been given to Roma, who played with a young and entertaining team.”

Moggi will keep on fighting, although his appeal to the TAR tribunal was rejected on Tuesday, and says that fans still stop him in the street to show their support.

“People tell me I am not alone and that is what I also said to the judges: there are 13 million Juve supporters that are watching, they can’t just punish us with no evidence.”

Originally Fiorentina, Lazio and Juventus were demoted and handed points penalties, but after the appeal only the Bianconeri remain in Serie B with a 17-point handicap.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Juve offer to hold FIGC talks

Saturday 26 August, 2006

Channel4.com wrote:

Juventus have told the FIGC they are willing to drop their legal action through the civil courts if they can resume negotiations for a return to Serie A.

The club infuriated the Federation and FIFA this week when they announced an appeal to the TAR tribunal in a bid to have their demotion revoked.

Due to the Calciopoli scandal, the Bianconeri found themselves in Serie B with a 17-point handicap – already a large discount on the original 30-point penalty – but they are demanding a return to the top flight or £92m in damages.

The FIGC has reacted by threatening its own legal action in a bid to stop the endless cycle of courts, as the season is set to kick off on September 9 and 10.

“We didn’t expect the Federation to react this way and it seems strange to answer a request for damages with a similar demand that had up until now never even been hinted at,” stated Juventus lawyer Montanaro.

“It’s a shame, as we do not consider ourselves at war with the FIGC. We’re seeking an equal and plausible solution for everyone. We’ll make our rights heard with determination, but without arrogance or pushing the FIGC aside. We’re ready to discuss a potential exchange of viewpoints at any time, as long as our reasons are heard.”

The side was at the centre of the investigation into match-fixing and pressure on referees when phone calls by director general Luciano Moggi (pictured), who has now resigned, were wiretapped by police.

Juventus are angry that they are the only club to be demoted after the Calciopoli trials. Fiorentina and Lazio were also originally dropped down to Serie B, but had their Serie A status restored on appeal.

“We don’t wish to escape the sporting justice system, we just want to see the correct sanctions put in place. We already had two Scudetti revoked, so to continue damaging us this season as well is unwarranted. Our punishment was excessive and totally out of proportion, especially considering the penalties meted out to clubs who didn’t really act all that differently.”

Meanwhile, the second wave of the Calciopoli trial continues, as today Reggina and Arezzo will know the result of their appeal to the Federal Court.

The Amaranto were docked 15 points from the new season among match-fixing allegations, while the Tuscans remained in Serie B with a nine-point penalty. Both clubs are expected to receive discounts on these punishments.
 

AbuGadanzieri

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Jan 8, 2006
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http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug27m.html

Juve-FIGC to call truce? Sunday 27 August, 2006

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Juventus have confirmed that they are in negotiations with the Federation to halt their legal battle, which could see them remain in Serie B without a points penalty.

“We are in talks with the FIGC,” announced Bianconeri President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli this evening. “We are ready to negotiate with the CONI Olympic Committee.”


The club had sparked an increasingly vicious legal battle in a bid to have their Serie A status restored following the Calciopoli scandal.


A conciliation meeting failed and they lodged an appeal to the TAR tribunal, asking for £92m in damages if they were forced to remain in Serie B.


The FIGC reacted by threatening their own court case and further sanctions against the Turin giants, but new reports suggest there is a new strategy in place.


It’s believed that Juventus were using the TAR option in order to force the Federation’s hand and step down from their original strict view of the issue.


The Bianconeri’s lawyer had stated during the match-fixing trial that they’d accept Serie B without a handicap, so while Juve may publicly claim they will not stop until their top flight status is restored, their real aim is to have the 17-point penalty wiped out or at least drastically reduced.


This figure is already a 'discount’ on the original Calciopoli verdict of a 30-point handicap. what you think please discuss
 

JuvenYang

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Jul 26, 2002
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The Times August 28, 2006

Is football still above the law?
By Gabriele Marcotti
The decision by Juventus to sue the Italian FA in the civil courts may change the governance game for good
WHAT DOES A FOOTBALL CLUB DO? What is its raison d’être? Is it to play matches in leagues and cup competitions, or is it to provide entertainment, attract sponsorship and offer jobs, in other words to exist as a legitimate business? It is not only a philosophical question. It is a fundamental issue that needs to be resolved before football’s authorities and the law are on a collision course again, just as they were over the Bosman ruling ten years ago.

Football is governed by football law, which is administered by national football associations, who, in turn, must answer to Fifa. Businesses, like individuals, are governed by civil law, which is administered by the courts, who, on some issues, must answer to the European Court of Justice.

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What happens when the two mix? Who has the upper hand? Fifa is clear on this. Only the FAs can determine footballing matters and they must do so in an independent manner, free from outside interference, whether political or legal. That is why, on July 3, Fifa suspended the Greek FA’s membership of world football’s governing body after the Greek Government refused to pass a law that guaranteed that all football matters could be decided only by the Greek FA.

Few took notice at the time — there was the small matter of the World Cup, after all — but it was a hefty punishment. Fifa barred Greece and Greek teams from competing in all international competitions and banned Greek clubs from buying players from abroad. It was the football equivalent of Death Row and, nine days later, after a rapid climbdown by the Greek Government, Fifa lifted the suspension.

Fifa’s argument is that it is a voluntary association of member FAs, just as the member FAs are a voluntary association of member clubs. No one is forced to join, but if an association wants to stay in, it has to abide by the rules. And rule No 1 is effectively: whatever happens in the family stays in the family. There is no law except for football law.

This kind of set-up might have worked well when football clubs were just that: clubs. Everyone was an amateur and winning came second to having a good time while chasing a ball up and down the pitch. Now, given recent events in Italy, it is proving to be severely outdated.

Juventus, who were caught up in Italy’s latest match-fixing scandal, are unhappy with the Italian FA’s punishment. They have been stripped of two titles, relegated to Serie B and were forced to start the 2006-07 season with minus 17 points. Having exhausted all possible levels of sporting appeals, last week they took their case to the civil courts, reportedly asking them to overturn the domestic FA ’s sentence, while seeking damages of about £88 million.

Apart from the fact that, if Juventus were awarded such a large sum in damages, it would probably bankrupt the Italian FA, the domestic governing body would end up between a rock and a hard place if the civil courts upheld the Turin club’s appeal.

If it recognises the court’s authority and abides by its verdict, its membership of Fifa would be suspended or even revoked (as a stern letter from Zurich intimated). But, if it does not follow the verdict, it would be held in contempt of court and be breaking the law.

And the disturbing and unpleasant truth is that Juventus have a mighty strong case. On the one hand, the evidence that they attempted to influence referees is overwhelming. Phone transcripts revealed that Luciano Moggi, the club’s general manager, made hundreds of calls to various FA officials, lobbying hard for favours, including the appointment of certain referees. From a sporting perspective, there is little question that this is a serious ethical breach, violating the most basic principles of sportsmanship and fair play. The problem is that, from the perspective of civil law, you can make a persuasive argument that what Juventus did is not a crime and therefore the punishment meted out by the Italian FA is excessive. There is no evidence of money changing hands, no evidence of quid pro quo favours, no hard evidence that anyone acted upon Moggi’s requests.

“What we were doing was lobbying for support, nothing more, nothing less,” Moggi said last week. In fact, Juventus argue, that is exactly what they were doing: lobbying. In many Western democracies (including the United States), big corporations pay lobbyists millions to cajole and persuade politicians into passing legislation that favours their interests. In some cases, those same lobbyists can legally pay large sums to fund a politician’s re-election campaign.

Juventus stopped short of that. They did not pay anybody off. They simply lobbied high- ranking FA officials — football’s equivalent of government Ministers — so that they would keep an eye out for their interests. Is that so different from what other big corporations do? And that is what Juventus are. They are listed on the Italian Stock Exchange, have an annual turnover in the hundreds of millions of pounds and employ several hundred people. They are, to all intents and purposes, a business. At least when it comes to this court case.

In short, what they did may have been wrong in the sporting world, but in the corporate world it was just business as usual. That is the crux of the issue.

Fifa’s structure and regulations are made for recreational clubs, not businesses. Its whole premise — an international body that cannot be sued, does not recognise the authority of the courts or of elected officials and that punishes those member FAs that do — is at odds with what football has become.

Juventus may or may not be the test case that brings it all crashing down, but sooner or later something has to give.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-2331320,00.html
 

AngelaL

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Aug 25, 2006
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What right has Fifa to say that "football" is above the law? With FIGC in berlusconi's pocket, how is any Italian team going to get justice from FIGC?
 
Jan 23, 2006
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That article put it perfectly and it shows exactly what is wrong with this whole stinking mess. Juventus never did ANYTHING legally wrong. Is it morally wrong to ask for favours? Perhaps but as the investigation showed others were doing the same thing. And like they said, no one forced them to do anything! No money changed hands, nothing illegal was done. To me the biggest issue in all of this is how inept the FA were in handling the whole thing. First of all they have way too many other interests. The owner of Milan is also the president of the counrty, and the president of MIlan also runs the FA (Galliani), then they have Moratti whose billions of dollars have brought the FA nothing but trouble, Sensi in Roma has just been a pain in the ass forever and most of the other teams don't have the cash to make it anywhere. So that leaves a team like Juve to take the fall for the sake of the league. Here they are running the team without a sugar daddy like Milan, Inter, and Roma do. The run the team like a business and are the only team in the league to post earnings every season instead of enourmous losses the way eveyr one else does. So the FA has this scandla come up and the team that they decided to make an example of is Juve of course. Only they have a very weak case and they totally over did the suspension. So of course Juve, like any business, is going to use whatever means they can to protect themselves. And they did which has lead the FA into the problem that they have now, which would have been solved very easily if they had just handled the problem right in the first place.
 

AngelaL

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Aug 25, 2006
10,215
toship2005 said:
That article put it perfectly and it shows exactly what is wrong with this whole stinking mess. Juventus never did ANYTHING legally wrong. Is it morally wrong to ask for favours? Perhaps but as the investigation showed others were doing the same thing. And like they said, no one forced them to do anything! No money changed hands, nothing illegal was done. To me the biggest issue in all of this is how inept the FA were in handling the whole thing. First of all they have way too many other interests. The owner of Milan is also the president of the counrty, and the president of MIlan also runs the FA (Galliani), then they have Moratti whose billions of dollars have brought the FA nothing but trouble, Sensi in Roma has just been a pain in the ass forever and most of the other teams don't have the cash to make it anywhere. So that leaves a team like Juve to take the fall for the sake of the league. Here they are running the team without a sugar daddy like Milan, Inter, and Roma do. The run the team like a business and are the only team in the league to post earnings every season instead of enourmous losses the way eveyr one else does. So the FA has this scandla come up and the team that they decided to make an example of is Juve of course. Only they have a very weak case and they totally over did the suspension. So of course Juve, like any business, is going to use whatever means they can to protect themselves. And they did which has lead the FA into the problem that they have now, which would have been solved very easily if they had just handled the problem right in the first place.
I agree with you Toship2005:tup: Juventus is the scapegoat of Italian football. I'm sure they were set up for this by berlusconi. After all the only "proof" they have are the transcripts of Moggi's telephone calls. Why did the police tap someone's phone when they had no proof of any wrong doing? It had to be someone in Government to have pulled that off! After months of phone tapping, the police admitted they found no proof of match fixing, & were going to shelf the case.
Next, the phone transcripts are "leaked" to the press, who presented it in the most damaging way for Juventus. Only 2 parties could have done that: - the police, or the person, who got the police to tap Moggi's phone and that person had to have authority over the police for them to have handed the transcripts over to them, and they must have had influence over the media. Who had the "means, motive & opportunity" to do this: - one silvio berlusconi!
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
That article just made my day.

Has anyone here ever watched the Tv show Dream Team?
In last years series a player was banned for life for ending a chelsea players career during a match.The club was also sued the chelsea for loss of revenue and as a result all the cluns went crazy with claims and insurance.Football ground to a standstill all over the country.To quote the player "If the FA are going to ban me for telling a few home truths then I will not go out without a fight"

Sound vaugely familiar?
My point is this.If what Juve is doing now could bring about such a collapse then FIFA just might have to do what we say to prevent said collapse.:eyebrows:
 

manos

JuVe913-ReXXaRKiLLeR
Jul 29, 2006
575
juve took out her demand for decresing her penalty

but there is a little chance to remain with the same penalty or with more decreased points or with no points penalty

there is also a little chance for juventus..a llittle only... to return in serie a with points penalty maybe....


the final answer will be made in the next days
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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No, we are still not allowed but I got bored deleting posts of idiots who do not read that this thread is NOT for discussion.
 

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