UK Politics (35 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

The bolded part is what I meant. It's not that common knowledge to general public that much, that numbnuts like these can ignore it more. Sikhs and current day Nepalese Gurkhas gets mentionned in Brittish arm forces (natural warrior cultures).

But generally as a footnote, but not that surprising, minorities in armies tend get overshadowed in colonial times. Similar with black/Asian soldiers in the US army during that time.


Britain was completely devastated in WW2 and had a great stand against the Nazis. But I wouldn't think India are that grateful for leaving them at strong position. Churchill starved them to death, used up their resources, then had million of them as soldiers in his commonwealth army. The least to do at that point was give long awaited independency.

I'd say it's common knowledge that colonial forces helped in the wars, but like anything from so long ago, younger generations are less and less aware or interested in anything to do with the wars other than knowing the general gist.

My point wasn't that India should be grateful, but that other countries sacrificed a lot also. I'm not even going to touch on imperial horrors as it's a whole seperate entity. It's too simplistic or opportunistic to say that "if etc etc hadn't happened or contributed" the Allies would have lost, there were several points where this could have happened. We have to be greatful for all contributions.

 

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[Elvin]

Very much still the majority.

For now.

 

[Osman]

I'd say it's common knowledge that colonial forces helped in the wars, but like anything from so long ago, younger generations are less and less aware or interested in anything to do with the wars other than knowing the general gist.

My point wasn't that India should be grateful, but that other countries sacrificed a lot also. I'm not even going to touch on imperial horrors as it's a whole seperate entity. It's too simplistic or opportunistic to say that "if etc etc hadn't happened or contributed" the Allies would have lost, there were several points where this could have happened. We have to be greatful for all contributions.

I agree with that. And I don't think that woman's short clip point was trying to make it they won war due to them. But just reminding ignorant people people they were a significant factor to the WW2.


If anything as mentioned, IMO the nr one decisive factor that gets downplayed by the allies and western powers post WW2, is the fact Soviets were in sheer volume quantity impact the MVPs of the war effort. Took it directly to the nazis and stalled them long enough for allies to finish it. But they did it in insanely brutal pyrrhic fashion. And are since WW2 the defacto boogeyman enemy to the West, so its generally a reluctant acknowledgement.

 

[Elvin]

I live in London. Let me give the facts:
1. Stabbings by a British born with African parents
2. He was a Christian choirboy
3. Reports that he was just a normal kid
4. People attacking mosques
5. People attacking police
6. Indiscriminate vandalism

What the protesters believe:
1. UK is less than 15% of Muslims, but country is being Islamified apparently
2. Police didn't stop Palestine protests but are out for these protests, unfair (they can't see the level of their own violence)
3. Stop the boats (a legitimate discussion point)

Some facts about EDL and similar groups (clips are on social media) :
1. Leader Tommy Robinson lives in Spain
2. One lady believe that the Titanic sank because of there being too many people on board, dismisses the involvement of the iceberg
3. The legend who says that the evil Muslims are making a "Muslamic ray gun" - guy even has a song about it

My take is that they are concerned about immigration and that is a valid concern and should be discussed. Unfortunately, these fuckers are so stupid to the level that they can't construct a sentence. I worked at West Ham and met thousands, they have the cognitive ability of 3 year olds. They'll lick a Vindaloo of the street, but hate Indians at the same time.

What they want to say (based on the demographic of the rioters) is that immigrants are taking their jobs and money that should be given to them. Despite UK not producing much talent in anything, they should not hire foreigners, but in London at least no hospital could last a day without foreign skilled or willing to do jobs that these lazy shits want to do.

I know London is in its own bubble, but I'll say that the Africans are the ones that make this a Christian country because only they have kept the churches alive. Other groups that have built places of worship have done so for their community, they pay from their pockets and fill them up. I was in academic science for 10 years and the most brilliant minds can be found from all ethnicities. The minority in my university were British White. These literally worthless rioters can't see that the UK would be nothing with foreigners.

I'm 100% sure that had England won the Euros, there would be no riots whatsoever. This small set of idiots are that dumb.

14% muslim is too much muslim mate.

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Merit to Russia too, made a way bigger sacrifice than the US did

Except they started the whole shit. Fuck their merit.

 

[JuveJay]

14% muslim is too much muslim mate.

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Except they started the whole shit. Fuck their merit.

It's more like 7%. But because some areas of London have 40%, and London is the only area of the UK that exists, the numbers seem far higher.

 

[Lion]

Silencing a painful discussion will cause more harm. It will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Migration over decades -> native population complains -> they get framed as racist or Nazi -> they'll vote for more right-wing parties because their voices aren't heard by the other parties -> radical/extreme parties will, over time, govern the majority of EU countries.

what discussion can one have with someone who says i do not accept you?

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Silencing a painful discussion will cause more harm. It will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Migration over decades -> native population complains -> they get framed as racist or Nazi -> they'll vote for more right-wing parties because their voices aren't heard by the other parties -> radical/extreme parties will, over time, govern the majority of EU countries.

what discussion can one have with someone who says i do not accept you?

because conservatives always argue this point that no one wants to discuss with them, but they get mad when facts are used instead of feelings.

 

[JuveJay]

I live in London. Let me give the facts:
1. Stabbings by a British born with African parents
2. He was a Christian choirboy
3. Reports that he was just a normal kid
4. People attacking mosques
5. People attacking police
6. Indiscriminate vandalism

What the protesters believe:
1. UK is less than 15% of Muslims, but country is being Islamified apparently
2. Police didn't stop Palestine protests but are out for these protests, unfair (they can't see the level of their own violence)
3. Stop the boats (a legitimate discussion point)

Some facts about EDL and similar groups (clips are on social media) :
1. Leader Tommy Robinson lives in Spain

Yeah but you'll find idiots everywhere. People are fucking stupid. And this is a country with an established education system. The problem is giving stupid people access to unlimited information.

He might have been a normal kid but let's also make the distinction that he killed and attempted to kill lots of innocent little kids. That's fairly abnornal behaviour. The fact a black lad did is it what turns it from a rare horror to a race war, in the minds of the EDL tracksuit and Stone Island jacket-wearing mob. I'm sure plenty of people would have wanted to kill him if he'd been white, but where do their monkey brains take that anger out then?

Also don't underestimate the amount of false information the Russian and probably Chinese nerds put out in these events. It's not like people are going to sit and fact check, this is the modern world we live in where people die because someone on the internet made something up.

 

[Lion]

Yeah but you'll find idiots everywhere. People are fucking stupid. And this is a country with an established education system. The problem is giving stupid people access to unlimited information.

He might have been a normal kid but let's also make the distinction that he killed and attempted to kill lots of innocent little kids. That's fairly abnornal behaviour. The fact a black lad did is it what turns it from a rare horror to a race war, in the minds of the EDL tracksuit and Stone Island jacket-wearing mob. I'm sure plenty of people would have wanted to kill him if he'd been white, but where do their monkey brains take that anger out then?

Also don't underestimate the amount of false information the Russian and probably Chinese nerds put out in these events. It's not like people are going to sit and fact check, this is the modern world we live in where people die because someone on the internet made something up.

here in canada about 6 months ago a sri lankan international student went on a rampage and used a knife to kill the sri lankan family that was providing him rooming in their house.

no motive. no clear reason. killed a mom and her 4 kids under age of seven including a infant and family friend.




no motive for the crime. just seems like he snapped and killed them. sometimes people go crazy.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/suspect-a...ss-murder-appears-in-court-thursday-1.6825942

 

[Mokku]

@JuveJay
Agree, but he grew up normally as far as we know. If he was a threat in any way, he should've been watched or if struggling mentally, he should be on a register somewhere. In Hainault in London, a Brazilian immigrant killed a Black schoolboy almost decapitating him then went in to try and kill other kids in a house. There were no riots. Nothing. As you said, a lot is down to misinformation and those using social media to cause chaos.

People are indeed stupid. Many football fans were carrying Palestine flags last season, now "Palestine never even existed", "synagogues are burnt and bombed every week", and "Jews beaten by Muslims all the time in London". These same far right people were themselves vandalising these exact synagogues. In fact, most abuse of Jews in the UK is from the same people.

Just as Anjum Choudhury was jailed for life, these instigators should be locked up before someone dies.

 

[Akshen]

 

[JuveJay]

Doesn't really make sense to me (not least because I don't have the eyes of a chameleon), but I am interested in the dynamic of this happening in the early days of a Labour government. The general fear among even some regular right being that they would completely reverse all Tory policies regarding immigration. I don't think it can underestimated what part this has played.

 

[swag]

Yeah but you'll find idiots everywhere. People are fucking stupid. And this is a country with an established education system. The problem is giving stupid people access to unlimited information.

He might have been a normal kid but let's also make the distinction that he killed and attempted to kill lots of innocent little kids. That's fairly abnornal behaviour. The fact a black lad did is it what turns it from a rare horror to a race war, in the minds of the EDL tracksuit and Stone Island jacket-wearing mob. I'm sure plenty of people would have wanted to kill him if he'd been white, but where do their monkey brains take that anger out then?

Also don't underestimate the amount of false information the Russian and probably Chinese nerds put out in these events. It's not like people are going to sit and fact check, this is the modern world we live in where people die because someone on the internet made something up.

The sad part is too many people put faith into whether one incident or not where the perpetrator was black or an illegal immigrant or trans or Muslim or none of the above.

There's no "whew" dodging a bullet just because the kid is a natural born UK baby who never saw another country in his life, just as there's no justification saying all Rwandan immigrants are murderous thugs due to this month's sample size of 1.

My God, humans are horrible with basic statistics and risk profiles. They'll still believe cars are safer than planes no matter what data you show them. So you're not going to convince anyone that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and contribute more to the tax base than they take even with all the data on the planet. There is no reasoning with some people who act out of emotion.

 

[JuveJay]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jjv7kp1wo

Good to see.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jjv7kp1wo

Good to see.

Reminds me of that infamous football match, one Xmas day in world war 1. Went back to their trenches the following day

 

[U Picciriddu]

https://x.com/x_hagbard_x/status/1820567081882124388?t=rwZ0h-P97mkyWzZA9PQN1A&s=19

What a mess

Same video's from both of the groups, lets say foreigners vs brittish people

 

[PhRoZeN]

This is what a lot of these so called 'british patriots' are, Nazi fanatics.

 

[U Picciriddu]

This is what a lot of these so called 'british patriots' are, Nazi fanatics.

I don’t think that’s a serious account, seems to be a parody racism account.

Laughed hard here though: https://x.com/barrystantonGBP/status/1815863657722470571

 

[PhRoZeN]

I don’t think that’s a serious account, seems to be a parody racism account.

Laughed hard here though: https://x.com/barrystantonGBP/status/1815863657722470571

I'd normally agree but the vast majority of his videos are inflammatory and derogatory. There's nothing parody about them.

 

[Boksic]

https://x.com/x_hagbard_x/status/1820567081882124388?t=rwZ0h-P97mkyWzZA9PQN1A&s=19

What a mess

Same video's from both of the groups, lets say foreigners vs brittish people

A complete mess and once you get counter protests it has the potential to escalate into something worse very quickly.

The police need to be instructed to shut down these mobs far quicker. Water cannons should be considered.

 

[Akshen]

My God, humans are horrible with basic statistics and risk profiles. They'll still believe cars are safer than planes no matter what data you show them. So you're not going to convince anyone that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and contribute more to the tax base than they take even with all the data on the planet. There is no reasoning with some people who act out of emotion.

and which data shows u that exactly? U can look on official UK site and this is what comes up from the statistics (https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...ity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2022-html):
Predicted probability of receiving a custodial sentence for a reference offender*, by offence and ethnicity (2018-2022).

So maybe its you who are dumb enough to still not understand that they actually commit more crimes and its there in the data?