UK Politics (27 Viewers)

[Trequartista]

Uk was a special case.
No other euro-country can do what they did.
Wanna know why? easy they had their own money while we share euro currency.
Imagine if one want to quit and all you have are euro the threaty level would be over the top and would take sometime to convert to your old currency.
Anyway that STILL would be better than staying.
Rooting for this mono-currency-banksheaven Europe to fail hard.

Sweden can do it too, they don't use the euro.

 

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[Ocelot]

Btw this whole mess once again painfully shows one very critical problem of the EU, its democratic legitimacy. A large portion of the people, not only in the UK, simply do not see themselves represented in Brussels, and very often rightfully so. Currently, there is only one EU institution that is actually voted for by the people of the European Union, and that is the European parliament - and right now, it has only very little influence, while the major decisions are taken by councils of various national governments. That needs to change asap, if the project is to survive in the long term.

Ironically of course, the UK has been among the most vocal opponents of such a reform.

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Sweden can do it too, they don't use the euro.

A lot of countries can, but it would be absolutely desastrous for the long term future of Europe, and the real danger of Brexit.

 

[radekas]

let's get back to 1930s and be done with it

 

[Valerio.]

Sweden can do it too, they don't use the euro.

you know what i meant.
Those who use euro as currency can't those who don't have more freedom to do what they want

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let's get back to 1930s and be done with it

let's go back to pre-globalization era

 

[Ronn]

Btw this whole mess once again painfully shows one very critical problem of the EU, its democratic legitimacy. A large portion of the people, not only in the UK, simply do not see themselves represented in Brussels, and very often rightfully so. Currently, there is only one EU institution that is actually voted for by the people of the European Union, and that is the European parliament - and right now, it has only very little influence, while the major decisions are taken by councils of various national governments. That needs to change asap, if the project is to survive in the long term.

Ironically of course, the UK has been among the most vocal opponents of such a reform.

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A lot of countries can, but it would be absolutely desastrous for the long term future of Europe, and the real danger of Brexit.

Isn't everybody in those council have veto power? I read that decisions have to be unanimous.

 

[campionesidd]

When World War 3 starts, the fascists will be the Brits, the Americans and the Russians. How times have changed.

 

[Seven]

When World War 3 starts, the fascists will be the Brits, the Americans and the Russians. How times have changed.

There is not going to be a WW 3.

As for Brexit: good luck to the guy who is actually going to trigger article 50. Looks like several British politicians set themselves up for political suicide.

But I have to say, the petty response of several high ranking politicians from all over the EU raises eyebrows too. They act offended and spiteful, when really there are a lot of things genuinely wrong with the EU today, most importantly its democratic deficit and the self enrichment of unelected (and aldo elected tbh) officials.

 

[campionesidd]

There is not going to be a WW 3.

As for Brexit: good luck to the guy who is actually going to trigger article 50. Looks like several British politicians set themselves up for political suicide.

But I have to say, the petty response of several high ranking politicians from all over the EU raises eyebrows too. They act offended and spiteful, when really there are a lot of things genuinely wrong with the EU today, most importantly its democratic deficit and the self enrichment of unelected (and aldo elected tbh) officials.

Very little chance of a world war, but it's interesting to note the rise of fascist demagoguery in the countries that helped defeat it in the 1940's.

 

[Ocelot]

Isn't everybody in those council have veto power? I read that decisions have to be unanimous.

For some decisions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union#Unanimity) - however, that doesn't make it a very fair system of representation either, the head of state of Luxembourg's 500.000 people has the same veto power as Germany's with their 80 million population.

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Very little chance of a world war, but it's interesting to note the rise of fascist demagoguery in the countries that helped defeat it in the 1940's.

The amount of fascist demagoguery isn't any higher in Britain than in most of Europe though.

Germany interestingly is a little bit of an exception, not having had an established right wing party until very recently, but they're getting there. And them lagging behind is a direct result of the historical sensitivitiy follwing theri role in WW II.

 

[Seven]

For some decisions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union#Unanimity) - however, that doesn't make it a very fair system of representation either, the head of state of Luxembourg's 500.000 people has the same veto power as Germany's with their 80 million population.

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The amount of fascist demagoguery isn't any higher in Britain than in most of Europe though.

Germany interestingly is a little bit of an exception, not having had an established right wing party until very recently, but they're getting there. And them lagging behind is a direct result of the historical sensitivitiy follwing theri role in WW II.

That's what I like about Germany. Given enough time they will always revert to fascism.

 

[Ocelot]

They've done it exactly once, at a time when most of Europe was fascist

Not to say that National Socialism's reputation isn't fully earned.

 

[Seven]

They've done it exactly once, at a time when most of Europe was fascist

Not to say that National Socialism's reputation isn't fully earned.

Come on. You just feel they want to. It's like an urge to them

 

[piotrr]

 

[GordoDeCentral]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/why-elections-are-bad-for-democracy

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Boris Johnson Boris Johnson please don't close dorm the border

 

[lgorTudor]

That's what I like about Germany. Given enough time they will always revert to fascism.

national socialism is way worse than fascism and germany have never been fascist

 

[Ocelot]

National Socialism still classifies as a form of fascism imo, but that's semantics.

 

[Scottish]

national socialism is way worse than fascism and germany have never been fascist

Could you elaborate that point? Im genuinely interested in how you distingush the two.

I hate when people talk about communism when discussing Cuba or The Soviet Union. I once had an argument with a teacher in school that there has never been a communist state since the term is an oxymoron. Big point in my realización that not all authority figures know what the fuck theyre talking about

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Could you elaborate that point? Im genuinely interested in how you distingush the two.

I hate when people talk about communism when discussing Cuba or The Soviet Union. I once had an argument with a teacher in school that there has never been a communist state since the term is an oxymoron. Big point in my realización that not all authority figures know what the fuck theyre talking about

I hate when a teacher who knows nothing about reality is lecturing me about reality, get a real job you fuckin pansy

 

[lgorTudor]

Could you elaborate that point? Im genuinely interested in how you distingush the two.

I hate when people talk about communism when discussing Cuba or The Soviet Union. I once had an argument with a teacher in school that there has never been a communist state since the term is an oxymoron. Big point in my realización that not all authority figures know what the fuck theyre talking about

Their different origins aside (Nazism under NSDAP and Fascism under Mussolini) nazism emphasized on race while fascism emphasized on the state. So the Nazis had their central nationalistic idea of a masterrace and used a totalitarian state to enforce their ideas by 'cleaning' the society from other races. The fascists enforce their nationalism by creating a strong political contruct and distinguish it from other nations ('national culture'). A class system and oppression between classes is essential to fascism, nazis were opposed to a class system and discriminated against ethnical minorities while unifiying the 'aryan masterrace' and declare it one class. By contrast the fascists considered ethnical minorities as regular part of their nation. In the later stages the nazis(Hitler) forced the fascists (Mussolini) to persecute the jews.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

The truth is that the UK was always out of the EU even if they were there by the official documents - they always had their own currency not euros, their own visa's not schengen and no one knew how manyof Britain's laws really came from the EU, just check this article, it's bizarre (15%-55%)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-many-britains-laws-really-7420612

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