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Nope. May has made a smart move by putting three brexiteers in charge of the negotiations (besides her). She is pretty much saying: you've made your bed, now lie in it.
#brexit will come at a heavy price, the only people that can legitimately sell a 2nd referendum or a bad deal is the brexiteers. BoJo is not there to be a civil servant or diplomat. He's there to sell Brexit or fail. Either way May will strengthen her position in the conservative party and she is on a straight path towards winning in 2020 by putting David, Johnson and Fox in their respective positions.
#brexit will come at a heavy price, the only people that can legitimately sell a 2nd referendum or a bad deal is the brexiteers. BoJo is not there to be a civil servant or diplomat. He's there to sell Brexit or fail. Either way May will strengthen her position in the conservative party and she is on a straight path towards winning in 2020 by putting David, Johnson and Fox in their respective positions.
You still have to explain how Nazi antisemitic laws demonstrate the large presence of atheist Jews in 1930's Europe.
Besides that I think you're right. And not only is it a smart move, it is also just the right thing to do. That some brexit advocates are running away from their responsibilities now just borders on the criminal.
Besides that I think you're right. And not only is it a smart move, it is also just the right thing to do. That some brexit advocates are running away from their responsibilities now just borders on the criminal.
You never explained 
, @Maddy
, @Maddy
The antisemitic laws define Jews as a race - if all/nearly all Jews were religious, they wouldn't have had to go to such lengths. A simple discrimination by religion would have sufficed.
Of course that's looking at the matter from one perspective only, and it's not anywhere near a conclusive proof. But I would say the laws do indicate or imply that there were a significant amount of Jews no actively practising their religion.
That's pretty much how I feel @JuveJay
The case is strong, and the SNP played their hand brilliantly, they knew Scots would vote against Brexit and decided to use it as leverage for another indyref. Perhaps that says something about them being in touch with the electorate.
I think we would vote for independence this time but then again I felt the same last time. By then we would have (wishful thinking) solid facts about the brexit deal and the future of an independent Scotland in Europe. With that in mind why the fuck not? The last independence referendum was anything but informed.
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This also gives me greater incentive to go back and live in Scotland for a while
The case is strong, and the SNP played their hand brilliantly, they knew Scots would vote against Brexit and decided to use it as leverage for another indyref. Perhaps that says something about them being in touch with the electorate.
I think we would vote for independence this time but then again I felt the same last time. By then we would have (wishful thinking) solid facts about the brexit deal and the future of an independent Scotland in Europe. With that in mind why the fuck not? The last independence referendum was anything but informed.
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This also gives me greater incentive to go back and live in Scotland for a while
Moronic timing for yet another referendum.
It completely undermines the UK at a key time in negotiating Brexit. We should be pulling together to get as good a deal for everyone in the UK. I see a lot said about Scotland being in the EU but we have already been told that we would leave the EU with the rest of the UK and there is no guarantee we would get back in or what sort of conditions would be imposed when applying given the fact that we would be a brand new country with debt.
Add to that that the oil price is significantly lower than what it was when the SNP presented wildly optimistic economic projections when they tried to make a case 2 years ago, then the timing is bizarre.
I see numerous reasons not to go ahead with independence but the key issue for me is the currency, which the SNP have never been able to find an answer for. Continuing to use the pound would be akin to using the Euro or the Dollar or Yen, we would have no control over it. Any high school economics student can tell you that controlling currency is one of the most important ways to control an economy.
I'd much rather we avoid another hugely divisive referendum and pull together. Maybe we should put our resources into fixing the failing schools and health care in the country instead.
It completely undermines the UK at a key time in negotiating Brexit. We should be pulling together to get as good a deal for everyone in the UK. I see a lot said about Scotland being in the EU but we have already been told that we would leave the EU with the rest of the UK and there is no guarantee we would get back in or what sort of conditions would be imposed when applying given the fact that we would be a brand new country with debt.
Add to that that the oil price is significantly lower than what it was when the SNP presented wildly optimistic economic projections when they tried to make a case 2 years ago, then the timing is bizarre.
I see numerous reasons not to go ahead with independence but the key issue for me is the currency, which the SNP have never been able to find an answer for. Continuing to use the pound would be akin to using the Euro or the Dollar or Yen, we would have no control over it. Any high school economics student can tell you that controlling currency is one of the most important ways to control an economy.
I'd much rather we avoid another hugely divisive referendum and pull together. Maybe we should put our resources into fixing the failing schools and health care in the country instead.
When May called the election it seemed like she would need to have an abysmal run to put that in jeopardy. She has tried her best to do that and I get the feeling that it will be a lot closer tomorrow than most expected.
And this is from someone who struggles to identify with Jeremy Corbyn and absolutely despises the human waste that is Diane Abbott, the appalling racist who is tolerated and enhanced only by her ethnicity and gender.
Honestly, I think the choices now are the worst we ever had. UKIP is done and dusted, SNP with Sturgeon the Salmond puppet screeching "referendum" as 90% of party policy is a similar one-trick pony, then you have fricking Corbyn or May to choose from.
SAD!
And this is from someone who struggles to identify with Jeremy Corbyn and absolutely despises the human waste that is Diane Abbott, the appalling racist who is tolerated and enhanced only by her ethnicity and gender.
Honestly, I think the choices now are the worst we ever had. UKIP is done and dusted, SNP with Sturgeon the Salmond puppet screeching "referendum" as 90% of party policy is a similar one-trick pony, then you have fricking Corbyn or May to choose from.
SAD!
Well that was funny. The exit polls were spot on - Conservatives won by not by enough seats for a majority, so we go to a hung parliament. Tories were a few seats short so they will have the DUP (Democratic Unionist Party) of Northern Ireland and their 10 seats on board to make up the difference. It is quite funny to see Corbyn's links to the old IRA and Sinn Fein, then you have May getting the begging bowl out for the DUP.
Embarrassing result for THeresa May. Seems a lot more young people voted and Labour had a good turnout. I can see May being chucked out a little further down the line.
Corbyn is celebrating it like a victory. I suppose it is considering he was at the bottom, but you can only go one way from there. The next GE should see him in a strong position.
SNP took a bit of a battering in Scotland, Tories did well there. Normal Tory areas around here like Warwick and Leamington surprisingly had a massive swing towards Labour and red wins, that has to be a younger vote.
Another political mess.
Embarrassing result for THeresa May. Seems a lot more young people voted and Labour had a good turnout. I can see May being chucked out a little further down the line.
Corbyn is celebrating it like a victory. I suppose it is considering he was at the bottom, but you can only go one way from there. The next GE should see him in a strong position.
SNP took a bit of a battering in Scotland, Tories did well there. Normal Tory areas around here like Warwick and Leamington surprisingly had a massive swing towards Labour and red wins, that has to be a younger vote.
Another political mess.