Tuz Meet Up in Cardiff (7 Viewers)
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Well happy to be alive and only with minor injuries @Bianconero_Aus
@Bezzy are you ok?
@Bezzy are you ok?
Feeling like on the walkig dead set, blood marks everywhere in the city. :f
Some part of things people lost yesterday.
Some part of things people lost yesterday.
And thanks for representing.
Sadly, I'm starting to feel that way.
Was in Turin for the bloodbath, sorry, Champions League final, wrote this on the day/night and how Juventus failed in their duty to safeguard fans.
http://thesetpieces.com/features/caught-turin-stampede/
http://thesetpieces.com/features/caught-turin-stampede/
I honestly don't think that this is the club's responsibility in any way. If anything, that's purely the city's fault.
And even here I feel as if there's not really much you can do bar banning such event more or less completely. The only fuck-up I've seen pointed out by anyone are the glass bottles, which is a fair point. However, even that would've "only" lessened the amount and severity of injuries, not the stampede itself.
I'm not an expert on these things by any means, and might be completely wrong. But so far I also haven't heard any qualified person speak about the concrete flaws of the way the event was set up, only vague accusations (bar the bottle thing).
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Unless you're purely commenting on a lack of recognition on part of the club, you might be completely right here. But I don't see how Juve is responsible for what transpired there.
And even here I feel as if there's not really much you can do bar banning such event more or less completely. The only fuck-up I've seen pointed out by anyone are the glass bottles, which is a fair point. However, even that would've "only" lessened the amount and severity of injuries, not the stampede itself.
I'm not an expert on these things by any means, and might be completely wrong. But so far I also haven't heard any qualified person speak about the concrete flaws of the way the event was set up, only vague accusations (bar the bottle thing).
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Unless you're purely commenting on a lack of recognition on part of the club, you might be completely right here. But I don't see how Juve is responsible for what transpired there.
Both the club and the city are responsible.
You've not seen any qualified person speak about it? I was there and lived through it, the organisation from the city was shambolic. Anyone who was there would tell you the same thing, bordered on gross negligence.
Juventus should have opened the stadium up to the fans, Like Real done, hell even Inter done it in 2010. Some fans have told me the club didn't want to open the stadium because it would've cost them money, can't confirm or deny that. But there's no doubt they should have opened it up. There would've been no glass, no overcrowding, nobody would've got hurt.
With a club that has Heysel in its history, it's outrageous that Juventus don't do right by their fans. Even people trying to get tickets for the final (a separate issue entirely) was shambolic and amateurish.
You've not seen any qualified person speak about it? I was there and lived through it, the organisation from the city was shambolic. Anyone who was there would tell you the same thing, bordered on gross negligence.
Juventus should have opened the stadium up to the fans, Like Real done, hell even Inter done it in 2010. Some fans have told me the club didn't want to open the stadium because it would've cost them money, can't confirm or deny that. But there's no doubt they should have opened it up. There would've been no glass, no overcrowding, nobody would've got hurt.
With a club that has Heysel in its history, it's outrageous that Juventus don't do right by their fans. Even people trying to get tickets for the final (a separate issue entirely) was shambolic and amateurish.
Opening the stadium would have been cool, but I don't think that failing to do that makes them responsible for what happened at San Carlo - it's still a dick move if it really was purely down to financial reasons, but you couldn't realistically expect something like that.
And again, I wasn't there, and I'm not an expert in these matters. But could you give me an example as to why the organisation has been shambolic? Might sound condescending here, but it's an honest question. From what I've seen so far, even from other eyewitnesses (http://derstandard.at/2000058734713/Augenzeuge-auf-derPiazza-San-Carlo-Es-war-der-Horror, it's in German, sorry), there's nothing that could really be blamed on the authorities - apart from the mentioned glass bottles.
So as far as I see it, those things can simply happen at mass events.
And again, I wasn't there, and I'm not an expert in these matters. But could you give me an example as to why the organisation has been shambolic? Might sound condescending here, but it's an honest question. From what I've seen so far, even from other eyewitnesses (http://derstandard.at/2000058734713/Augenzeuge-auf-derPiazza-San-Carlo-Es-war-der-Horror, it's in German, sorry), there's nothing that could really be blamed on the authorities - apart from the mentioned glass bottles.
So as far as I see it, those things can simply happen at mass events.