dude you obviously got alot of time on ur hands and i dont think even u no what ur talking about. go write for tribalfootball not here.
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and you are saying twenty games last season were not enough time?
almiron was loaned out after 9 games . . . perhaps if we play him some 20 more games he will look decent too !
my point is that it is nothing to be proud of to play 3 "good" games, when you played 20 games before where you totally sucked.
i can guarantee you, that when our team loses it's current form tiago will fall back to looking totally awfull and out of place, because he does not have the required skill and character to create something by himself, when not everyone in midfield is holding his hand and helping him.
almiron was loaned out after 9 games . . . perhaps if we play him some 20 more games he will look decent too !
my point is that it is nothing to be proud of to play 3 "good" games, when you played 20 games before where you totally sucked.
i can guarantee you, that when our team loses it's current form tiago will fall back to looking totally awfull and out of place, because he does not have the required skill and character to create something by himself, when not everyone in midfield is holding his hand and helping him.
don't get me wrong.
i am no tiago hater, but just want players that can help us in good AND bad times ... i'm afraid that if we keep him and let the chance to cash in on him pass by, we will regret it in times we struggle.
it will be really interessting with poulsen and marchisio back, who is going to start in a few weeks. right now tiago has the bonus that he seems to fit into the puzzle...
i am no tiago hater, but just want players that can help us in good AND bad times ... i'm afraid that if we keep him and let the chance to cash in on him pass by, we will regret it in times we struggle.
it will be really interessting with poulsen and marchisio back, who is going to start in a few weeks. right now tiago has the bonus that he seems to fit into the puzzle...
Well, Henry struggled at Barca, and as much as I don't like the guy, he was a hell of a player.
Vieira is nowhere near his Arsenal self either, never was since he went away.
Ronaldinho had a poor season at the same team with the same coach. Hell, even Raul had a bad season and he's to Real what Alex is to us.
And Hamsik was pretty invisible in his NT matches until the NT coach finally realized where to play him. The same Hamsik playing great matches for Napoli week in week out was a different player midweek, only to return to his form in Napoli.
I think it is exactly the other way round. There are only a handful of players that can maintain their level of performance for years, or that can shine in any team they play for.
EDIT: And I forgot Trez. IMO the best finisher of his generation, yet he can become invisible for several matches in a row, if not given the service. So, even the best players don't always add something to the team if you don't play them right.
Vieira is nowhere near his Arsenal self either, never was since he went away.
Ronaldinho had a poor season at the same team with the same coach. Hell, even Raul had a bad season and he's to Real what Alex is to us.
And Hamsik was pretty invisible in his NT matches until the NT coach finally realized where to play him. The same Hamsik playing great matches for Napoli week in week out was a different player midweek, only to return to his form in Napoli.
I think it is exactly the other way round. There are only a handful of players that can maintain their level of performance for years, or that can shine in any team they play for.
EDIT: And I forgot Trez. IMO the best finisher of his generation, yet he can become invisible for several matches in a row, if not given the service. So, even the best players don't always add something to the team if you don't play them right.
that is exactly what i said ... it looked for the fan like he struggled, but a class player does add to the team nontheless .. meaning he scored goals, even if he looked like struggling and out of place.
that is my definition of class: finding a way to make ones skill count without any help from the team
i already posted how many goals henry scored last season, even everybody would have said he struggled, but his goals stood and if you just look at the amount of goals he scored you would not think that he struggled.
you are mentioning many players whose loss of form have different causes...
even when ronaldinho did lose his form, he is still class because he does make his skill count when he plays..
you would surely agree that ronaldinho was out of form last season when he was at barca ... now look at the stats, even out of form he scored 9 goals and gave 7 assists 27 games. even if it seems like he is out of form, he has skill, so the results come!
it is true that there are very few players that do always have a certain degree of form that allows them to be always good
i think we must understand that there are types of strikers that did always look crap, when the other team mates do not deliver. this is always with trezeguet, so for my definition trezeguet is not "class" in that regard that he badly sucks, when no one does the right crosses and assists. that does not mean to say trez sucks, but he is only good when the team is good what is of another class than someone that is always good (if it looks like that or not is not important) and does something productive.
del piero on the other hand dragged us not only once out to a win, where we badly suffered ... so that is class
perhaps you could say that a quality play is someone who does not depend on others form to play good ... del piero is such a class quality player ... tiago certainly not
as mentioned above ... even while struggling henry and ronaldinho did have enough skill that the goals, assists did come from their pure skill and not only because others ran for them.
tiago had many games without nothing to show for.
as someone already mentioned even in this good games from tiago he did have the same success rate for passes like sissoko (while sissoko did a few passes more) ... so please do not overrate tiagos performances
that is my definition of class: finding a way to make ones skill count without any help from the team
i already posted how many goals henry scored last season, even everybody would have said he struggled, but his goals stood and if you just look at the amount of goals he scored you would not think that he struggled.
you are mentioning many players whose loss of form have different causes...
even when ronaldinho did lose his form, he is still class because he does make his skill count when he plays..
you would surely agree that ronaldinho was out of form last season when he was at barca ... now look at the stats, even out of form he scored 9 goals and gave 7 assists 27 games. even if it seems like he is out of form, he has skill, so the results come!
it is true that there are very few players that do always have a certain degree of form that allows them to be always good
i think we must understand that there are types of strikers that did always look crap, when the other team mates do not deliver. this is always with trezeguet, so for my definition trezeguet is not "class" in that regard that he badly sucks, when no one does the right crosses and assists. that does not mean to say trez sucks, but he is only good when the team is good what is of another class than someone that is always good (if it looks like that or not is not important) and does something productive.
del piero on the other hand dragged us not only once out to a win, where we badly suffered ... so that is class
perhaps you could say that a quality play is someone who does not depend on others form to play good ... del piero is such a class quality player ... tiago certainly not
as mentioned above ... even while struggling henry and ronaldinho did have enough skill that the goals, assists did come from their pure skill and not only because others ran for them.
tiago had many games without nothing to show for.
as someone already mentioned even in this good games from tiago he did have the same success rate for passes like sissoko (while sissoko did a few passes more) ... so please do not overrate tiagos performances
If I were a mod just for one day, the first and only thing I'd do is ban V1rtu4l for A) constantly reffering to people's immaturity, yet he fails to recognise he is the most immature member here, 2) for being completely incorrect in just about every issue or topic and 3) for making no sense whatsoever and finally for judging players on their looks rather than their ability
Tiago wins recall for Portugal's Brazil test
Juventus midfielder Tiago could make his first appearance for Portugal in 15 months after being recalled to the squad for next week's friendly against Brazil.
A poor start to life in Serie A following his summer move from Lyon last year saw Tiago dropped.
However, the former Chelsea midfielder could now be set to add to his 38 caps, the last of which he won against Armenia in August 2007.
"It is a pleasure to return to the national squad," he told the federation's official website, www.fpf.pt. "Despite being on the outside for the last few call-ups, the truth is that I never felt that I was outside this "family" that is the national team.
"I have worked with endeavour for my club, not only to earn my place at Juventus, but also to deserve the confidence of the national team coach.
"Games against Brazil are always special, intense, and charged with a huge amount of affection, to which the players are not insensitive.
"We want to give a spectacle, search for the win, but without forgetting that it is more a matter of preparing for the fight to reach the World Cup in South Africa."
Portugal coach Carlos Queiroz, who has said he wants to experiment in friendlies, has also handed Cesar Peixoto and Rolando their first call-ups.
There is no space in the 20-man squad for Inter Milan winger Ricardo Quaresma or Benfica striker Nuno Gomes.
Squad: Quim (Benfica), Eduardo (Braga); Jose Bosingwa (Chelsea), Paulo Ferreira (Chelsea), Pepe (Real Madrid), Bruno Alves (Porto), Fernando Meira (Galatasaray), Miguel (Valencia), Rolando (Porto); Cesar Peixoto (Braga), Deco (Chelsea), Raul Meireles (Porto), Joao Moutinho (Sporting Lisbon), Maniche (Atletico Madrid), Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United), Tiago (Juventus), Simao Sabrosa (Atletico Madrid); Danny (Zenit St Petersburg), Nani (Manchester United), Hugo Almeida (Werder Bremen).
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Juventus midfielder Tiago could make his first appearance for Portugal in 15 months after being recalled to the squad for next week's friendly against Brazil.
A poor start to life in Serie A following his summer move from Lyon last year saw Tiago dropped.
However, the former Chelsea midfielder could now be set to add to his 38 caps, the last of which he won against Armenia in August 2007.
"It is a pleasure to return to the national squad," he told the federation's official website, www.fpf.pt. "Despite being on the outside for the last few call-ups, the truth is that I never felt that I was outside this "family" that is the national team.
"I have worked with endeavour for my club, not only to earn my place at Juventus, but also to deserve the confidence of the national team coach.
"Games against Brazil are always special, intense, and charged with a huge amount of affection, to which the players are not insensitive.
"We want to give a spectacle, search for the win, but without forgetting that it is more a matter of preparing for the fight to reach the World Cup in South Africa."
Portugal coach Carlos Queiroz, who has said he wants to experiment in friendlies, has also handed Cesar Peixoto and Rolando their first call-ups.
There is no space in the 20-man squad for Inter Milan winger Ricardo Quaresma or Benfica striker Nuno Gomes.
Squad: Quim (Benfica), Eduardo (Braga); Jose Bosingwa (Chelsea), Paulo Ferreira (Chelsea), Pepe (Real Madrid), Bruno Alves (Porto), Fernando Meira (Galatasaray), Miguel (Valencia), Rolando (Porto); Cesar Peixoto (Braga), Deco (Chelsea), Raul Meireles (Porto), Joao Moutinho (Sporting Lisbon), Maniche (Atletico Madrid), Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United), Tiago (Juventus), Simao Sabrosa (Atletico Madrid); Danny (Zenit St Petersburg), Nani (Manchester United), Hugo Almeida (Werder Bremen).
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