Tiago Mendes (15 Viewers)

[Juve per sempre]

Well it's easy to say that Ranieri is dumb because he doesn't play Tiago. Do you guys really think Ranieri doesn't play him for the sake of it?

Nocerino and Zanetti are doing good. Thus CR, acting for the team, prefers to play them, as he feels they're the best choice for CM.
And it seems Tiago isn't that impressive on training. If he was he would leave Ranieri no choice but play him.

And people saying that he was our biggest transfer so he must play:
The money we spent on him is spent, so forget about that. Now he's just a player in the squad, and we don't want him selected over other (in form) players just because we paid more for him, do we?

Economist would call it a sunk cost. If you go to the cinema and after thierty minutes you realise that the film is terrible, what would you do? Stay there and waste another hour and a half 'because you paid for it', or leave and do something more useful (with a chance of selling your ticket for a small price)?

That doesn't mean I want Tiago to be sold, not before he's given a chance to prove himself, but there's no point in playing him just because of his price.

With Nedved being suspended for the next game (and probably more) and neither Camo nor Marchionni fully back yet, I think/hope/wish to see Tiago being played at a more attacking position, in front of Nocerino-Zanetti maybe?

Again,nobody said that he should play becoz we spent big money on him.
Nobody said that he should start ahead of an on form Zanetti & Nocerino

I dont want to repeatwhat I've said million times before But any blind person would see that Tiago didnt take his fair chance even as a substitute to prove himself & the only time Ranieri gave himthe chance to start against Reggina,he played a very good match & he was oneof the best players on the pich(though the match was too easy).

It is very obvious that there is some personnel problems between them.
Look at Almiron,He is given a chance after another either as a starter or as a substitute & he is playin like crap.

Anyway,it seems like everything is falling apart for Tiago after his lates comments,I still have some little faith that Ranieri will give him the chance & that it isnot over for Tiago with Juve yet.

 

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[sateeh]

Well it's easy to say that Ranieri is dumb because he doesn't play Tiago. Do you guys really think Ranieri doesn't play him for the sake of it?

Nocerino and Zanetti are doing good. Thus CR, acting for the team, prefers to play them, as he feels they're the best choice for CM.
And it seems Tiago isn't that impressive on training. If he was he would leave Ranieri no choice but play him.

And people saying that he was our biggest transfer so he must play:
The money we spent on him is spent, so forget about that. Now he's just a player in the squad, and we don't want him selected over other (in form) players just because we paid more for him, do we?

Economist would call it a sunk cost. If you go to the cinema and after thierty minutes you realise that the film is terrible, what would you do? Stay there and waste another hour and a half 'because you paid for it', or leave and do something more useful (with a chance of selling your ticket for a small price)?

That doesn't mean I want Tiago to be sold, not before he's given a chance to prove himself, but there's no point in playing him just because of his price.

With Nedved being suspended for the next game (and probably more) and neither Camo nor Marchionni fully back yet, I think/hope/wish to see Tiago being played at a more attacking position, in front of Nocerino-Zanetti maybe?

spot on for that part mate, we have to consider CR's side as well. The system is working and hes getting the desired results. I think thats why even Almiron was overlooked, not just Tiago.

 

[Bjerknes]

Well it's easy to say that Ranieri is dumb because he doesn't play Tiago. Do you guys really think Ranieri doesn't play him for the sake of it?

Nocerino and Zanetti are doing good. Thus CR, acting for the team, prefers to play them, as he feels they're the best choice for CM.
And it seems Tiago isn't that impressive on training. If he was he would leave Ranieri no choice but play him.

And people saying that he was our biggest transfer so he must play:
The money we spent on him is spent, so forget about that. Now he's just a player in the squad, and we don't want him selected over other (in form) players just because we paid more for him, do we?

Economist would call it a sunk cost. If you go to the cinema and after thierty minutes you realise that the film is terrible, what would you do? Stay there and waste another hour and a half 'because you paid for it', or leave and do something more useful (with a chance of selling your ticket for a small price)?

That doesn't mean I want Tiago to be sold, not before he's given a chance to prove himself, but there's no point in playing him just because of his price.

With Nedved being suspended for the next game (and probably more) and neither Camo nor Marchionni fully back yet, I think/hope/wish to see Tiago being played at a more attacking position, in front of Nocerino-Zanetti maybe?

Again, nobody is asking for Tiago to be played just because he was an expensive signing over the summer. This is something people don't seem to understand. But I just find it funny that we have a manager named "the Tinkerman" who received his name after years of switching formations and personnel choices, yet now he barely plays a couple players for reasons I don't really understand. Tiago is not the sort of player to lash out like he did, so I seriously think that something is not right.

And besides, this straight 4-4-2 Ranieri is employing now will only get us so far. It is shite and we need to field something else, especially with Nedved and Camoranesi out.

 

[Bjerknes]

spot on for that part mate, we have to consider CR's side as well. The system is working and hes getting the desired results. I think thats why even Almiron was overlooked, not just Tiago.

I think this current system is shite to be honest. We don't have the players to effectively use the straight 4-4-2. Without Camoranesi or Marchionni we have no proper wingers so the system isn't really be used properly.

 

[Geof]

Again,nobody said that he should play becoz we spent big money on him.

Nobody said that he should start ahead of an on form Zanetti & Nocerino

we pay all this money for him, and put him on the bench


start laughing !!!

I dont want to repeatwhat I've said million times before But any blind person would see that Tiago didnt take his fair chance even as a substitute to prove himself & the only time Ranieri gave himthe chance to start against Reggina,he played a very good match & he was oneof the best players on the pich(though the match was too easy).

True, he didn't start in any hard match. Reggina was the easiest match, so Ranieri decide to give him a chance there. He probably thought that even with a bad Tiago we would win.
CR didn't start him in other matches because these were more difficult and the team works better with Nocerino-Zanetti.

But now you say it, let's have a look at all the games so far:

Livorno : Tiago replaces Almiron in 79'
Parma (Coppa): Tiago started alongside Almiron and Nocerino
Cagliari: Zanetti-Almiron; Tiago benched, not used.
Saragossa: away on NT
Udinese: Zanetti-Almiron, Tiago replaced Zanetti and was poor
Roma: Tinkerman used 433 Noce-Zanetti-Nedved. Almiron was slightly injured, Tiago was on the bench, not used.
Reggina: 90 minutes for Tiago, good game.
Torino: Nocerino-Zanetti ; Almiron came as a sub
Fiorentina: Noce-Almiron (Zanetti suspended) Tiago not used
Young Boys: Tiago got 90minutes, Almiron replaced Zanetti during second half
Genoa: Nocerino-Zanetti; Almiron came in.

Shall we look for a pattern?

- Since the Roma game, Ranieri uses Nocerino-Zanetti (the latter was suspended for Fiorentina).
- Almiron seems to be preferred over Tiago so far.

Tiago played the whole Coppa match, the whole Reggina and the whole Saragossa match. It's no coincidence that these were the easiest matches out there. My guess is that Ranieri wants to give Tiago a chance, but doesn't want to risk too much for it. He only got to play in one hard match, Udinese, and he was pretty bad, but then again the whole team was.

It is very obvious that there is some personnel problems between them.
Look at Almiron,He is given a chance after another either as a starter or as a substitute & he is playin like crap.

Don't be too sure about "personal problems". What if Tiago's performances in training are under par? What if his Italian knowledge is not good enough to understand the tactics and to interact with Nocerino, Zanetti,...? What if it takes him some time before adapting to an Italian team?

Almiron doesn't have these problems. And I don't thinik Almiron is playing like crap anyway; sure he's not as good as we expected, and Ranieri noticed that.

Anyway,it seems like everything is falling apart for Tiago after his lates comments,I still have some little faith that Ranieri will give him the chance & that it isnot over for Tiago with Juve yet.

The season is still long mate. Suspensions (Nedved, Zanetti and Nocerino will get their share), injuries (let's hope not, but...) and dips in form will provide him a chance. I expect him to start a couple of times before christmas. We'll look at the situation then. We're only the 22th of October.

 

[Bjerknes]

Don't be too sure about "personal problems". What if Tiago's performances in training are under par? What if his Italian knowledge is not good enough to understand the tactics and to interact with Nocerino, Zanetti,...? What if it takes him some time before adapting to an Italian team?

I sincerely doubt Tiago would come out to say he's being neglected while knowing his form isn't up to par. He's professional enough not to do that. Now his agent is another matter..

 

[angelus23]

whats funny is tht CR asked for tiago and he cant find a place for him in the team true nocerino and zanetti r doing good quite good tho as for setting up plays we had no player in the whole team doin it and if u noticed how many times legro had to back pass the ball to buffon (vs genoa )and as well from all the matches tht almiron played he was either par or below it and tiago still our forth choice central mid even he isnt picked over almiron who isnt performing and i believe if in the napoli match since no camo neither nedved neither marchioni available and still he isnt gettin his chance i believe he will never get one and abt sali lol i dont know if he is a winger coz he i barelly never saw a good cross from him even tiago would have been better on the field in his place

 

[angelus23]

and i really dont like CR substition policy waitin till the 80 min to get the first player in

 

[Bjerknes]

whats funny is tht CR asked for tiago and he cant find a place for him in the team

That is truly humorous.

 

[Seven]

Don't be too sure about "personal problems". What if Tiago's performances in training are under par? What if his Italian knowledge is not good enough to understand the tactics and to interact with Nocerino, Zanetti,...? What if it takes him some time before adapting to an Italian team?

Almiron doesn't have these problems. And I don't thinik Almiron is playing like crap anyway; sure he's not as good as we expected, and Ranieri noticed that.

His knowledge of Italian is good enough. Sure, Portuguese is different, but I'm sure he understands his team mates.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Well it's easy to say that Ranieri is dumb because he doesn't play Tiago. Do you guys really think Ranieri doesn't play him for the sake of it?

Nocerino and Zanetti are doing good. Thus CR, acting for the team, prefers to play them, as he feels they're the best choice for CM.
And it seems Tiago isn't that impressive on training. If he was he would leave Ranieri no choice but play him.

And people saying that he was our biggest transfer so he must play:
The money we spent on him is spent, so forget about that. Now he's just a player in the squad, and we don't want him selected over other (in form) players just because we paid more for him, do we?

Economist would call it a sunk cost. If you go to the cinema and after thierty minutes you realise that the film is terrible, what would you do? Stay there and waste another hour and a half 'because you paid for it', or leave and do something more useful (with a chance of selling your ticket for a small price)?

That doesn't mean I want Tiago to be sold, not before he's given a chance to prove himself, but there's no point in playing him just because of his price.

With Nedved being suspended for the next game (and probably more) and neither Camo nor Marchionni fully back yet, I think/hope/wish to see Tiago being played at a more attacking position, in front of Nocerino-Zanetti maybe?

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[narchi]

Economist would call it a sunk cost. If you go to the cinema and after thierty minutes you realise that the film is terrible, what would you do? Stay there and waste another hour and a half 'because you paid for it', or leave and do something more useful (with a chance of selling your ticket for a small price)?

Sorry but this is not a good example. Why not? Because we never really use him in the match (he played only twice, once he wasn't that bad and in the second game the whole team was poor). You can't judge the movie based on what you see in the last five minutes. You should watch the whole movie, then you could say if it is good or not. Is it fair to judge movie based on what you see in the screen shots? IMO not.

 

[Wraith]

Sorry but this is not a good example. Why not? Because we never really use him in the match (he played only twice, once he wasn't that bad and in the second game the whole team was poor). You can't judge the movie based on what you see in the last five minutes. You should watch the whole movie, then you could say if it is good or not. Is it fair to judge movie based on what you see in the screen shots? IMO not.

You're missing Geof's point, which is that the money spent shouldn't be a factor on whether or not Tiago is played. That money is gone. If Ranieri doesn't think Tiago is going to be good for the team, probably as seen during training, the most rational thing to do is not to "spend" other players' playing time on Tiago. Instead you want to cut your losses and move on.

Granted this is assuming that Ranieri saw that Tiago won't be good for the team. Obviously if Ranieri's judgment is poor, then it's a different story altogether.

 

[sateeh]

I think this current system is shite to be honest. We don't have the players to effectively use the straight 4-4-2. Without Camoranesi or Marchionni we have no proper wingers so the system isn't really be used properly.

Well against this is the 2nd straight game we played with it and i thought we played a very good 90mins against fiorentina and again a very good 45mins against Genoa where we created many chances on both occasions.

The only issue we've had is that Ranieri is not finishing up the games on both occasions, especially the Genoa game.

Back to Tiago, right now the situation is just like a my word against yours. As we don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

I can't get away from the fact that Ranieri doesn't have enough faith in Tiago as the games we had recently were really tough. We will see if that changes in the coming games or not as they will not get any easier.

I hope it does

 

[JCK]

Well against this is the 2nd straight game we played with it and i thought we played a very good 90mins against fiorentina and again a very good 45mins against Genoa where we created many chances on both occasions.

The only issue we've had is that Ranieri is not finishing up the games on both occasions, especially the Genoa game.

Back to Tiago, right now the situation is just like a my word against yours. As we don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

I can't get away from the fact that Ranieri doesn't have enough faith in Tiago as the games we had recently were really tough. We will see if that changes in the coming games or not as they will not get any easier.

I hope it does

That's exactly the problem. We are being strong but later during the games we become sluggish and keep the ball with the opponent.

Against Fiorentina we created a lot of counter attacks that didn't fruit in anything, when Palladino and Del Piero came in, in theory it appeared like the best thing to do, fresh legs and players who can finish a counter attack and thus kill the game with three points in the pocket. But when they came in, the counter attacks became more lame and useless and Fiorentina equalized.

Against Genoa, Ranieri did not want to risk the same type of substitution so he brought Almiron in, who did well keeping the balance but he did not do anything to kill the game.

 

[Maher]

if you have a player like requilmeh , he will do what it needs

 

[DelpieroForLife]

needs what?

 

[JCK]

if you have a player like requilmeh , he will do what it needs

What is needed?

 

[Marc]

Remember how Deschamps' time at juve came to an end, when he went public about his dissatisfaction?

Yea but Chiellini did the same and he remained at the club.

 

[Maher]

What is needed?

I mean he can create many chances for the attack to finish the game.