You know, I don't think this team is that much better than last season's (with exception of the defence). The quality of football we've been playing so far this season is pretty poor, considering the players we have.
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Ok it might be true that we are not playing the most attractiv football and maybe lost a magic touch! but the success give Capello right at the moment, we have qualifyied for 1/8 in CL and are on top of Serie A table!!
I also thought that we are not playing very good football when I saw the two game against Bayern, but we won!
But when we started to play the ball around Bayern had no chance, i liked that!!
But isn't Juve a team that is most of the time and when succesful based on the defence??
We are a other kind of team comared for example of Barca, they have the strongest play IMO and they are very attacking!! It is very beautiful to watch! but they have creative players like Deco or Ronaldino who we don't have!!
Juve was most of the time a fighting, tacticle team! Zidane was the last real playmaker we had, but as i can imagine, we won more titles with Nedved!
and also lets not forget when players like Del Piero, Nedved, Zlatan on form we can play also great football!
I also thought that we are not playing very good football when I saw the two game against Bayern, but we won!
But when we started to play the ball around Bayern had no chance, i liked that!!
But isn't Juve a team that is most of the time and when succesful based on the defence??
We are a other kind of team comared for example of Barca, they have the strongest play IMO and they are very attacking!! It is very beautiful to watch! but they have creative players like Deco or Ronaldino who we don't have!!
Juve was most of the time a fighting, tacticle team! Zidane was the last real playmaker we had, but as i can imagine, we won more titles with Nedved!
and also lets not forget when players like Del Piero, Nedved, Zlatan on form we can play also great football!
Des, i dont understand what you mean, but certanly using Roma as an example of the right module to play doesnt look cleaver to me. "forcing the middfields to push back as well to help in defense"...My god, are you serious ??? Roma contention middfield is always get caught out of position and the suport they offer to defense never cover the flanks, thats too evident (20 goals evident)...Inter atack in small waves always finish making their central middfields covering the sides and vulnerable to fast counteratacks , because teir lateral defenders tends to go to center to cover low middfield..."the two milanese potency in offense" ...i dont see AC Milan potency in offense, they are totally sheva dependant, and Pirlo, seedorf and Kaka are far from last year, thats not secret...
Do we lack dynamism ? I think Dynamism is our strong point point this year...
It would be much simple if you said "i dont like Capello style at Juve" or "lets get a more offensive style to play"....but as always, thats a matter of opinions...
Do we lack dynamism ? I think Dynamism is our strong point point this year...
It would be much simple if you said "i dont like Capello style at Juve" or "lets get a more offensive style to play"....but as always, thats a matter of opinions...
strange though.... how come inter , roma , and milan score less than us.. that cant be right... their attackers looks more dangerous and the opponents defenders are on their toes...
cannot say we dont deserve all of our goals... i see all Juve matches this season and i dun remember any goals that we dont deserve...
,aybe becoz our opponest are relatively weak compare to them...yeah i thinks that is the reason...
cannot say we dont deserve all of our goals... i see all Juve matches this season and i dun remember any goals that we dont deserve...
,aybe becoz our opponest are relatively weak compare to them...yeah i thinks that is the reason...
i know, i feel like we lack in attck although the names that we have our big, although i think back when trzegol was back in the game we had better results i hope capello bring him back to the pitch...
Although i think the more capello play the same players hes going to get them more tired and fustrated
Although i think the more capello play the same players hes going to get them more tired and fustrated
the team is solid. defence is stronger, not only because of cannavaro and zebina who has surprised us with good play at right back, but because capello has managed the team well and has it playing solidly. hence, we give up the creativeness by doing this.
Del Piero being out of form doesnt help. Zlatan can create but still isnt a pure playmaker for the team as such. Nedved is his usual self, powerful but not all that creative like a ZZ, totti, Ronaldinho type of player. Trezeguet missing means we dont have a striker who scores a goal a game.
Camoranesi has done fairly well and has played better than last season but still is inconsistant. We lack creativity through the middle of the park. Emerson has good skills but is not naturally an offensive midfielder.
what i think the teams needs.
1. Del Piero in form. Alongside Zlatan, both in form will give us areal boost in creativity.
2. Olivera may need to be starting. He should be behind the forwards. he should be playing centrally, not on a wing. its his natural game and by him replacing emerson against fiorentina, hopefully this is a sign that capello may start using him there more often.
these changes may mean a change of formation. however, i think blasi, emerson, nedved and olivera are able to form a midfield that works and would still be fairly solid.
---------nedved---blasi---emerson
--------------------olivera
nedved often moves in behind the forwards and he has done a tremndous job scoring goals and helping out with his powerful runs constant running, but i think olivera would give more creativity from that position.
its just something that has to be looked at. Besides del piero, i believe the most creative player in the team is olivera. so he should be used more often.
Del Piero being out of form doesnt help. Zlatan can create but still isnt a pure playmaker for the team as such. Nedved is his usual self, powerful but not all that creative like a ZZ, totti, Ronaldinho type of player. Trezeguet missing means we dont have a striker who scores a goal a game.
Camoranesi has done fairly well and has played better than last season but still is inconsistant. We lack creativity through the middle of the park. Emerson has good skills but is not naturally an offensive midfielder.
what i think the teams needs.
1. Del Piero in form. Alongside Zlatan, both in form will give us areal boost in creativity.
2. Olivera may need to be starting. He should be behind the forwards. he should be playing centrally, not on a wing. its his natural game and by him replacing emerson against fiorentina, hopefully this is a sign that capello may start using him there more often.
these changes may mean a change of formation. however, i think blasi, emerson, nedved and olivera are able to form a midfield that works and would still be fairly solid.
---------nedved---blasi---emerson
--------------------olivera
nedved often moves in behind the forwards and he has done a tremndous job scoring goals and helping out with his powerful runs constant running, but i think olivera would give more creativity from that position.
its just something that has to be looked at. Besides del piero, i believe the most creative player in the team is olivera. so he should be used more often.
with regards to Roma,i think you misunderstood me.i meant that Roma's opposition are always forced to push back and their midfielders become defenders as such,not Roma's.
The two Milanese clubs might be having problems of their own and depending on their respective star strikers,but the quality and concentration of their play is still at a higher level to ours.their midfields are more creative than ours and they don't have to constantly cope with two forwards who consistently fail to perform at the expected level.Nedved doesn't make the killer pass or create a chance out of nothing often.the likes of emre, recoba, kaka, aimar and ronaldinho do.
it's not that i dislike capello's style or anything.i just don't think he's imposing a definite enough game plan in the team,and that the team itself lacks a player or two still.perhaps if we bought an ibrahimovic for the midfield instead and kept miccoli...
The two Milanese clubs might be having problems of their own and depending on their respective star strikers,but the quality and concentration of their play is still at a higher level to ours.their midfields are more creative than ours and they don't have to constantly cope with two forwards who consistently fail to perform at the expected level.Nedved doesn't make the killer pass or create a chance out of nothing often.the likes of emre, recoba, kaka, aimar and ronaldinho do.
it's not that i dislike capello's style or anything.i just don't think he's imposing a definite enough game plan in the team,and that the team itself lacks a player or two still.perhaps if we bought an ibrahimovic for the midfield instead and kept miccoli...
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with regards to Roma,i think you misunderstood me.i meant that Roma's opposition are always forced to push back and their midfielders become defenders as such,not Roma's.
The two Milanese clubs might be having problems of their own and depending on their respective star strikers,but the quality and concentration of their play is still at a higher level to ours.their midfields are more creative than ours and they don't have to constantly cope with two forwards who consistently fail to perform at the expected level.Nedved doesn't make the killer pass or create a chance out of nothing often.the likes of emre, recoba, kaka, aimar and ronaldinho do.
it's not that i dislike capello's style or anything.i just don't think he's imposing a definite enough game plan in the team,and that the team itself lacks a player or two still.perhaps if we bought an ibrahimovic for the midfield instead and kept miccoli...
with regards to Roma,i think you misunderstood me.i meant that Roma's opposition are always forced to push back and their midfielders become defenders as such,not Roma's.
The two Milanese clubs might be having problems of their own and depending on their respective star strikers,but the quality and concentration of their play is still at a higher level to ours.their midfields are more creative than ours and they don't have to constantly cope with two forwards who consistently fail to perform at the expected level.Nedved doesn't make the killer pass or create a chance out of nothing often.the likes of emre, recoba, kaka, aimar and ronaldinho do.
it's not that i dislike capello's style or anything.i just don't think he's imposing a definite enough game plan in the team,and that the team itself lacks a player or two still.perhaps if we bought an ibrahimovic for the midfield instead and kept miccoli...
i think ...the style of play that we beat real madrid 3-1 in the year which we lost the final .....i think is the best for us......yes...we don't have speacial playes that force the other teams to do mistakes.....really we depends on the other mistakes not on the luck.....
examples:
Olivera goal last night.....viola defence didn't cover well
Byren 2nd leg......Khan Mistake
Byren 1st leg......defence mistake...and this dueto byeren less concentrated not a mistake the team is forced to do......
Sena....the 3 goals...except from Zebina....
....etc........
...but we can't creat it...look how ronaldiho beat Milan defence.......another thing....really our team play ugly football compared to english and spanish....but due to just i love this team i can't change it and support another......i think the lippi style which we beat madrid is the best one for us.....dueto lack of superplayer.....and that style...is all attack when the ball with us...and all defened when the ball with the opponent....
examples:
Olivera goal last night.....viola defence didn't cover well
Byren 2nd leg......Khan Mistake
Byren 1st leg......defence mistake...and this dueto byeren less concentrated not a mistake the team is forced to do......
Sena....the 3 goals...except from Zebina....
....etc........
...but we can't creat it...look how ronaldiho beat Milan defence.......another thing....really our team play ugly football compared to english and spanish....but due to just i love this team i can't change it and support another......i think the lippi style which we beat madrid is the best one for us.....dueto lack of superplayer.....and that style...is all attack when the ball with us...and all defened when the ball with the opponent....
Nedved is efficient and has a spark but he is missing the spice. Personally I was relying on Emerson to give this to the team, disappointed the player turned out to be a worker who does his job in a 'correct' way. Olivera seems to be orgaized with something in his mind, this I saw in the Djurgården game (the 2nd one) but ubfortunately he is not being included with the others 'much'.
I also feel there is something missing and I have a feeling that one day we will get exposedd, but as I watch the games I see the play is getting better, but still not better enough. Maybe a new player is needed, maybe Del Piero has to do something like he used to do. Maybe Moggi will do something in January that will keep the team getting better and gets much better to be precise
Let us hope our fears won't happen and the team does perform as we wish it to
I also feel there is something missing and I have a feeling that one day we will get exposedd, but as I watch the games I see the play is getting better, but still not better enough. Maybe a new player is needed, maybe Del Piero has to do something like he used to do. Maybe Moggi will do something in January that will keep the team getting better and gets much better to be precise
Let us hope our fears won't happen and the team does perform as we wish it to
Definitely, though I'm not sure they have to defend "well" just get men behind the ball like palermo did earlier in the year and fior did last wednesday.. we'll struggle simply due to the lack of directness and pace. We faugh around too much with petient build up play, which is all well and good but it usually falls to Camo who will 9 times out of 10 try and bribble inside and mis-control it, wasting the whole 10 minutes of tedium getting the ball over there in the first place!
Yeah we need a pacey right winger like Robben on our side. But I don't think Arjen would be doing the stuff he's doing in the Serie A. Anyways, a more dynamic right winger is something we need, because Camoranesi makes us all cringe sometimes. Mauro is good enough for now, but in the future Moggi must do some more work.