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I usually don't read that long posts. But I can't ignore Cronios posts....I like his view on football and he knows the game.
Cronios, I disagree on Nocerino's part. DM is supposed to deliver offensive duties and not only defensive. Sure his main job is to protect the Defensive line, but that doesn't mean that he has to be useless going into the attack. Sissoko has proved that he can be useful in all two.
And also I don't think Nocerino really earned his place. Almiron looked weak at the start of the season which automatically gave a place to Nocerino whom is better defensively than Almiron and Tiago.
Cronios, I disagree on Nocerino's part. DM is supposed to deliver offensive duties and not only defensive. Sure his main job is to protect the Defensive line, but that doesn't mean that he has to be useless going into the attack. Sissoko has proved that he can be useful in all two.
And also I don't think Nocerino really earned his place. Almiron looked weak at the start of the season which automatically gave a place to Nocerino whom is better defensively than Almiron and Tiago.
Imagine of Cronios was a member who used a lot of swear words (think Burke) or racist sentences in that long post, and you as a mod had to read it word by word, and sentence by sentence to filter out the bad parts
ppl should also look at what was expected of the above-mentioned players this season...did any1 even expect Molinaro to become our starting LB? were ppl expecting Nocerino to be the "new Gattuso" in 1 season? if so, u guys should get a reality check...so the worst player has to be Tiago, as he had an international reputation to live upto...and he did a damn fine job of screwing it up!
Ha ha, Molinaro is the main reason i sound so pessimist, just a look at him make me lose all hope for Juve's future. He express our current situation in main wise, you can always draw some conclusion from a team's worst player.
Having a player like Molinaro as a starter, means a lot for our team!!
I consider this thread an important one, as it becomes the epilogue of a player's carrier in Juve and it happens to be the most relevant at this very moment.
Our priority now seems to be the construction of the next year's Juve, to upgrade our team we need to remove our weakest links and replace them!
I also found a real shame for Nocerino, to be compared with Molinaro.
Since i am the main Molinaro basher, i got implicated in many Molinaro debates,
i had to remind you these things now, because some members probable werent present in those threads, so i chose to repeat my self once, in a mega post than brake it down to small quotes later, against posters that would take it to personal level. If someone responds to my arguments with an equally constructive post, then we could draw a safe conclusion regarding most of the parameters.
(Alen would, but he is now converted too
)
And Jack, i told you before, its not my fault that our future look grim, i want the best for Juve and i wont close my eyes to our problems and happily hope for the best. I cant live in a dream, at least not at this age!!
I was also called pessimist when i foresaw, pre-calciopoli, that the lack of political influence will cost us a great deal in the future. And look what it happened!!
I was also called a pessimist when we ignored our creativity and defense problems and look how much it cost us!
IMO things good be worse, but using the same resources and making wiser choices, things could have been a lot better for Juve!
You can call me and Vinman pessimists but we only call it how we see it and it doesnt seem good!!
I only "hate" Molinaro because i believe that his presence here hurts the interests of my favorite club, i dont exaggerate to "hate" someone like Zebina as much,
i bash Molinaro for a reason...
I think we can do better, i think there is hope for us, but we have to do the right choices for a change and if we want to return to the top fast, we have to be efficient, players like Molinaro are not the answer, he has to be removed from our team immediately i am very worried that we are not even interested to find a replacement for him yet.
Having a player like Molinaro as a starter, means a lot for our team!!
I consider this thread an important one, as it becomes the epilogue of a player's carrier in Juve and it happens to be the most relevant at this very moment.
Our priority now seems to be the construction of the next year's Juve, to upgrade our team we need to remove our weakest links and replace them!
I also found a real shame for Nocerino, to be compared with Molinaro.
Since i am the main Molinaro basher, i got implicated in many Molinaro debates,
i had to remind you these things now, because some members probable werent present in those threads, so i chose to repeat my self once, in a mega post than brake it down to small quotes later, against posters that would take it to personal level. If someone responds to my arguments with an equally constructive post, then we could draw a safe conclusion regarding most of the parameters.
(Alen would, but he is now converted too
)And Jack, i told you before, its not my fault that our future look grim, i want the best for Juve and i wont close my eyes to our problems and happily hope for the best. I cant live in a dream, at least not at this age!!
I was also called pessimist when i foresaw, pre-calciopoli, that the lack of political influence will cost us a great deal in the future. And look what it happened!!
I was also called a pessimist when we ignored our creativity and defense problems and look how much it cost us!
IMO things good be worse, but using the same resources and making wiser choices, things could have been a lot better for Juve!
You can call me and Vinman pessimists but we only call it how we see it and it doesnt seem good!!
I only "hate" Molinaro because i believe that his presence here hurts the interests of my favorite club, i dont exaggerate to "hate" someone like Zebina as much,
i bash Molinaro for a reason...
I think we can do better, i think there is hope for us, but we have to do the right choices for a change and if we want to return to the top fast, we have to be efficient, players like Molinaro are not the answer, he has to be removed from our team immediately i am very worried that we are not even interested to find a replacement for him yet.
I agree with the idea that modern DMs need to be more helpful offensive wise, but IMO that doesnt absolute their defensive work. I think it depends on the team's character and needs. In our team with the tactical choice CR took, this problem is magnified to the maximum. Since we have two DMs, there is a greater need for creativity. BUT in another team with an AMFs, this attribute is marginalized.
For ex if we had an AMF that is particular good at creating and doesnt defend much, Nocerino wouldnt have to come forward. IMO it is firstly the coaches fault that he misused his material. Our team would work best with players like Lampard, Gerrard or Ballack, complete players that would complete and help each other. It is not Nocerino's fault he isnt such a player and that the coach didnt adapted our formation to his abilities. The very same Noce would be more useful in another team along with an AMF and that doesnt mean that Noce is a bad player.
I remember that everyone was praising Vieira as the perfect DM when we had Davids, but IMO Davids defensive work along with Zidanne's offensive work was extremely efficient too.
As a player Nocerino surely has faults and his greater fault is that he is almost useless offensively, but he can at least do his job defensively and this is his main job as a DM, i only wanted to point out that Molinaro is not even partially useful at any scheme and at any circumstances, unlike Noce!
As it has been repeated from the start of this thread (Mostly by Andy and the TSs approval) we should evaluate first their performances without finding any kind of external excuses like, estimated personal expectations and price tags.
This should be obvious by now and thats why Jack concluded only these two options and excluded Tiago and Almiron.
Nocerino and Molinaro started with similar expectations and were available and largely used through the whole year. We need no poll to tell us that Almiron and Tiago were the most disappointing flops of the season, since many sites and newspapers already did that!
PS Excuse me all, for my grammatical and structural mistakes, my mother language is pretty different to English, it actually has absolutely no common ground on grammatical structure and it does not help to express my thoughts rightfully!
If i dont speak right, it doesnt seems that i dont think right though
Juventuz is the only place i get to use this language that way, i know that they are members like Dominic, who cannot endure my writing...
I can only hope that i will improve my English to tolerable levels soon, dont forget i was gone for 4 weeks
For ex if we had an AMF that is particular good at creating and doesnt defend much, Nocerino wouldnt have to come forward. IMO it is firstly the coaches fault that he misused his material. Our team would work best with players like Lampard, Gerrard or Ballack, complete players that would complete and help each other. It is not Nocerino's fault he isnt such a player and that the coach didnt adapted our formation to his abilities. The very same Noce would be more useful in another team along with an AMF and that doesnt mean that Noce is a bad player.
I remember that everyone was praising Vieira as the perfect DM when we had Davids, but IMO Davids defensive work along with Zidanne's offensive work was extremely efficient too.
As a player Nocerino surely has faults and his greater fault is that he is almost useless offensively, but he can at least do his job defensively and this is his main job as a DM, i only wanted to point out that Molinaro is not even partially useful at any scheme and at any circumstances, unlike Noce!
As it has been repeated from the start of this thread (Mostly by Andy and the TSs approval) we should evaluate first their performances without finding any kind of external excuses like, estimated personal expectations and price tags.
This should be obvious by now and thats why Jack concluded only these two options and excluded Tiago and Almiron.
Nocerino and Molinaro started with similar expectations and were available and largely used through the whole year. We need no poll to tell us that Almiron and Tiago were the most disappointing flops of the season, since many sites and newspapers already did that!
PS Excuse me all, for my grammatical and structural mistakes, my mother language is pretty different to English, it actually has absolutely no common ground on grammatical structure and it does not help to express my thoughts rightfully!
If i dont speak right, it doesnt seems that i dont think right though
Juventuz is the only place i get to use this language that way, i know that they are members like Dominic, who cannot endure my writing...
I can only hope that i will improve my English to tolerable levels soon, dont forget i was gone for 4 weeks
Well, but then again, as Cronios wrote in his long post, Molinaro got his place simply, because there is no one else, as Chiellini is playing CB. And I'm sure both Nocerino and Tiago combined made less mistakes per game than Molinaro.
Furthermore, expectations shouldn't play a role. Or if we signed a really crappy player from serie D, would you say still say that Tiago was worse, because the expectations were lower?
And as Andy said, this poll isn't about who was the most disappointing player, but who was simply the worst.
Furthermore, expectations shouldn't play a role. Or if we signed a really crappy player from serie D, would you say still say that Tiago was worse, because the expectations were lower?
And as Andy said, this poll isn't about who was the most disappointing player, but who was simply the worst.
Molinaro got his place and nobody managed to kick him out of his spot, even though there were available options (Chiellini, Brazzo, Grygera).
Tiago had several players for competition and they all managed to stop him from playing. That says it all how garbage Tiago was. Tiago doesn't make mistakes? Who are you kidding? He makes dozens of mistakes and while Molinaro does them too, at least he gives something useful to our team. Tiago does NOTHING positive. If someone asked me what was my rating of Tiago's season, I'd say one big ZERO. The guy managed to enter into Juve's top 10 flops of all time and the biggest flop of the Serie A.
If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.
End of discussion.
Tiago had several players for competition and they all managed to stop him from playing. That says it all how garbage Tiago was. Tiago doesn't make mistakes? Who are you kidding? He makes dozens of mistakes and while Molinaro does them too, at least he gives something useful to our team. Tiago does NOTHING positive. If someone asked me what was my rating of Tiago's season, I'd say one big ZERO. The guy managed to enter into Juve's top 10 flops of all time and the biggest flop of the Serie A.
If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is. End of discussion.
Molinaro got his place and nobody managed to kick him out of his spot, even though there were available options (Chiellini, Brazzo, Grygera).
Tiago had several players for competition and they all managed to stop him from playing. That says it all how garbage Tiago was. Tiago doesn't make mistakes? Who are you kidding? He makes dozens of mistakes and while Molinaro does them too, at least he gives something useful to our team. Tiago does NOTHING positive. If someone asked me what was my rating of Tiago's season, I'd say one big ZERO. The guy managed to enter into Juve's top 10 flops of all time and the biggest flop of the Serie A. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.
End of discussion.
Tiago had several players for competition and they all managed to stop him from playing. That says it all how garbage Tiago was. Tiago doesn't make mistakes? Who are you kidding? He makes dozens of mistakes and while Molinaro does them too, at least he gives something useful to our team. Tiago does NOTHING positive. If someone asked me what was my rating of Tiago's season, I'd say one big ZERO. The guy managed to enter into Juve's top 10 flops of all time and the biggest flop of the Serie A.
If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is. End of discussion.
Tiago had 4 assists in his few starts. Molinaro had 1 (one, uno, the integer between zero and two) and that was probably his only successful cross of the season.
End of discussion.
I dont get it why most of you consider tiago as a flop, is it because he was our top transfer back from serie B? He obviously couldnt handle serie a at first and then we never gave him much support, we were always on his back. Everytime he played I saw a coup de grace in his passing something was there the player is talented, and he is clearly not our worst player of the season, look at molinaro look at grygera both played twice as much tiago, its not like he was starting week in and week out.
He was one of the best in our last 4 games, without pressure this guy can shine, he needs time, even platini needed time to adapt to juventus he was horrible the first 6 months :s....
Its pretty easy to consider someone a flop when you expect him to give more than he can, tiago isnt zidane, but he is gifted, next season I hope he stays and plays more he'll prove us all wrong...mark my words.
He was one of the best in our last 4 games, without pressure this guy can shine, he needs time, even platini needed time to adapt to juventus he was horrible the first 6 months :s....
Its pretty easy to consider someone a flop when you expect him to give more than he can, tiago isnt zidane, but he is gifted, next season I hope he stays and plays more he'll prove us all wrong...mark my words.
Without trying to get into the discussion about who was better (or in this case worse) between Tiago and Molinaro, it's fair to mention some of Molinaro's achievements too.
Molinaro is team's leader in intercepted passes and he's second placed in Juve in couple of cattegories :
1. Passes completed (only Zanetti has more passes completed than Molinaro)
2. Won tackles (again Zanetti is the only one in Juve who's better than Molinaro)
He's third placed in "successfull crosses" cattegory, behind Del Piero and Camoranesi, he's third placed behind Chiellini and Legrotagllie in "clearings" cattegory ( i'm still not sure what "clearings" means ) and he's third placed, behind Nedved and Del Piero in "won corners".
Top3 in 6 cattegories must mean something.
Nocerino, on the other hand, is in top3 in:
1. Yellow cards (team's leader)
2. Lost balls (second after Zanetti)
3. Fouls committed (second after Del Piero)
Molinaro is team's leader in intercepted passes and he's second placed in Juve in couple of cattegories :
1. Passes completed (only Zanetti has more passes completed than Molinaro)
2. Won tackles (again Zanetti is the only one in Juve who's better than Molinaro)
He's third placed in "successfull crosses" cattegory, behind Del Piero and Camoranesi, he's third placed behind Chiellini and Legrotagllie in "clearings" cattegory ( i'm still not sure what "clearings" means ) and he's third placed, behind Nedved and Del Piero in "won corners".
Top3 in 6 cattegories must mean something.
Nocerino, on the other hand, is in top3 in:
1. Yellow cards (team's leader)
2. Lost balls (second after Zanetti)
3. Fouls committed (second after Del Piero)