The Wish List and General Discussion Thread (35 Viewers)

[Lawnchair Bes]

it's not that at all. juventus is a big club, and as any big club it needs to win NOW. in order for them to win now, they need to buy champions now. what place is lazio in? when was the last time lazio, fiorentina, parma, napoli and whatever won the league?

 

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[Hust]

it's not that at all. juventus is a big club, and as any big club it needs to win NOW. in order for them to win now, they need to buy champions now. what place is lazio in? when was the last time lazio, fiorentina, parma, napoli and whatever won the league?

Bes, you can still buy champions and take risks. We can't just continue to buy champions every year for every position. How can you explain our youth policy and our return on investments? Come on man, our scouting sucks, our youth policy sucks, our transfers suck, our team is playing poorly, and now we want to buy players for a lot of money that we could have bought years back for much less.

That sir, is bad business either way you look at it.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Well said Lawnchair, we all like it when Juve signs a promising young talent but we can't field a team of prospects and expect to win anything.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

yeah, but juventus was never buying youngsters ... never. maybe 1 who broke in the first 11 every 4-5 years. and they were winning championships. it's not our youth policy that got us into this mess and if you follow the youth policy of napoli you will just be another napoli.

something else is fucked up this time around

 

[Hust]

so what is the point of a youth policy?

@Kyle: For some reason it is you who always misunderstands me. I never said field a team full of prospects. But what is so wrong in trying to take a risk on a player or two ever couple years?

@Bes: We can't just buy new superstars in every position. Things will have to be different this time around.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

so what is the point of a youth policy?

depends on what kind of team you are. if you are napoli, your youth policy is to mature talent and sell it at a higher price. so napoli can afford to lose for a year and make money. if you are inter, or (pre-calciopoli juventus) you need to win every year and you have the money to spend on proven talent.

 

[Hust]

depends on what kind of team you are. if you are napoli, your youth policy is to mature talent and sell it at a higher price. so napoli can afford to lose for a year and make money. if you are inter, or (pre-calciopoli juventus) you need to win every year and you have the money to spend on proven talent.

So Santon and Balotelli? How do you explain that? Inter can buy anyone they want to replace those two, but they aren't are they?

 

[Hust]

Inter are in a position in their history where they can afford to take those risks because if they drop points from a rookie mistake they can incur that loss. When we were that strong we never did.

Look, if we had the financial power we once had then sure we can buy our way out of this. But we simply don't or aren't showing any signs that we do. So what do you do in our case? Just resign Canna/Grosso on a one year? Until we get lucky with someone? It's time to take a risk.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

right now juventus cant afford that

 

[Hust]

Ok, so we can afford to spend another 50-60m on players that will take us up? Cuz if we are then by all means let's do it. I don't think we are which is why I am saying that in certain positions maybe a risk could be taken.

 

[Hust]

Why can't we try Giovinco as a Camo replacement, bring a new LM (Ribery for example), Criscito, and Motta?

Spend the bulk on a proven WC player, teach Gio to ply his trade on the right and we have a banging midfield. Motta is cheap, good and a bargain. Criscito will give us some stability on the left but not as much attacking as we would like but we have Ribery to carry that burden.

Then we need to find a solution to our CB and with that we can use the money we get from selling players.

We let Camo/Trez go, which will save us loads of money from salaries. Keep IQ/DP and sell Amauri and promote Immobile.

Lower risk, WC player, new talent and incorporating youth. Yes or no?

Not to mention over the course of the year we save a lot of money from Camo/Trez leaving from salaries and the fact that Criscito/Motta won't require significant salaries and perhaps next winter with that money saved we can hit the winter mercato with more force than we did in the past.

 

[X Æ A-12]

so what is the point of a youth policy?

@Kyle: For some reason it is you who always misunderstands me. I never said field a team full of prospects. But what is so wrong in trying to take a risk on a player or two ever couple years?

I was agreeing with what Lawnchair said, I was not responding to any post of yours

 

[Hust]

I was agreeing with what Lawnchair said, I was not responding to any post of yours

Ah. Well he was disagreeing with mine and since you agreed with his by default that makes you my enemy.

 

[Byrone]

Bes, you can still buy champions and take risks. We can't just continue to buy champions every year for every position. How can you explain our youth policy and our return on investments? Come on man, our scouting sucks, our youth policy sucks, our transfers suck, our team is playing poorly, and now we want to buy players for a lot of money that we could have bought years back for much less.

That sir, is bad business either way you look at it.

Thats why they should be doing an annual review of the club,thats how its done in business.If the club is constantly failing in various sectors,it needs to be addressed & corrected.

I agree with you that we could buy most of the best stars for this team but it wont help.

Medical staff - Misdiagnosing injuries.This devalues the players & we still have to pay weekly wages irrespective of them playing or not.We cant afford this rubbish anymore.

Coach - We haven't had a coach with a winning mentality in years now,somebody that commands respect & that can inspire,give direction & also motivate the players week in,week out.We ned a coach that can give the players their clear roles in the team,not mix it up whenever he's lost.We need a coach that's not afraid to make changes in time even at the expense of our stars.How many times have we seen substitutions in the 80th min?

Style of play - We need to work on strength,stamina & passing.How many times have we conceded possession? How many times have the players given up in the second half,due to exhaustion? We lack speed & we get caught on the counter way too much.

These three issues are of great concern for me.Look at Genoa,Sampdoria & Napoli,their players are inferior to ours yet they are grinding out results.Its not all about the quality of the players but the collective effort thats being out in.That being said its obvious we need to work on new recruits but we need to address those areas mentioned above.

 

[Ken]

:depressed Oh boy.. We're such a mess.

 

[giovanotti]

Why can't we try Giovinco as a Camo replacement, bring a new LM (Ribery for example), Criscito, and Motta?

Spend the bulk on a proven WC player, teach Gio to ply his trade on the right and we have a banging midfield. Motta is cheap, good and a bargain. Criscito will give us some stability on the left but not as much attacking as we would like but we have Ribery to carry that burden.

Then we need to find a solution to our CB and with that we can use the money we get from selling players.

We let Camo/Trez go, which will save us loads of money from salaries. Keep IQ/DP and sell Amauri and promote Immobile.

Lower risk, WC player, new talent and incorporating youth. Yes or no?

Not to mention over the course of the year we save a lot of money from Camo/Trez leaving from salaries and the fact that Criscito/Motta won't require significant salaries and perhaps next winter with that money saved we can hit the winter mercato with more force than we did in the past.

Because our board seem to be stupid or working for someone else.
Especially when it comes to Giovinco. We have no Camoranesi and now Poulsen and Tiago (2 guys that were constantly taking Giovinco's place) and we're using another 3-4-1-2 tactics (which sucks by the way) and he is still on the bench while De Ceglie and Grosso are playing there.

 

[Daddi]

When is Iaquinta back?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

When is Iaquinta back?

never

 

[Juve Libnan]

Ok, so we are rumored for Hamsik and Vargas? Two players we were rumored to get years back and now that their value has skyrocketed because someone else took a gamble on them and won, we are going to spend massive amounts of money to get them years later? Fuck that.

I like to try and remain optimistic but naturally when you watch your child learn to try and walk you are optimistic that this child will finally learn to stand on its own two feet. But after years of watching this child continue to stumble and fall over you come to the sad realization that this child is retarded. That is our club.

We could have signed Vargas before going to Viola but passed it up for Grosso/Moli, etc. We could have signed Hamsik for a couple hundred thousand and will be forced to pay at least 20m for him if we decide to go that route.

Kolarov for 200,000 to lazio and be sold for 25m?? haha. I tell you this, for the way with (as Kyle says) fuck up our youth and take them for granted we deserve this, absolutely. The teams that take risks like Viola, Lazio, etc deserve to reap the benefits while we look in amazement here at Juventuz on why the fuck we didn't take a risk on those same players. Now we are all left drooling about what "could have been".

We could have signed Diego from Santos, Kolarov before he went to Lazio, Sissoko from Valencia...etc. I could go on and on. What I am trying to say is IMO before we sign another fucking player for megamillions we need to revolutionize our scouting. Being one of the biggest and most prestigious clubs in the world we can't afford to cripple ourselves by over spending every season we fuck up. We obviously take our youth for granted and refuse to incorporate them in our senior team so why can't we just re-do our entire scouting network and find the next Hamsiks, Vargas's, Balotelli's, etc. Why do we have to continue either spending MILLIONS AND MILLIONS on already proven talent when it was another team that discovered them and paid peanuts?

My first move would be to bring someone to replace our useless scouts. Those piss poor bastards need to go.

As for what players to buy next season? The ones we need from Serie A to take us to the next level will go to Inter. Kolarov/Hamsik....we could use them both but do not stand a chance.

I'm just so sick and tired of watching Inter streamroll us and watching other teams use their youth and take risks on players that haven't made a name for themselves yet.

couldnt agree with you any more..its disgusting how long its been since we bought a nobody and turned them into a superstar or at the very least into a player that imposed his style on the team and who became a key member for us

hamsik was there for us to take when brescia had him in serie b and i was amazed how we didnt try and take a gamble on him when he wouldve cost us peanuts but instead we OVERSPENT 22 million euros on tiaga and that baldy that plays for bari and has a thing for scoring against us but has no idea how to play when hes one of us

before we make any moves for players we definitely need to address the lack of performance of our managers,physios,scouts and above all our board members and directors..theyre doing a very very poor job

Fkn calciopoli hit us way harder than we wouldve ever thought after being promoted bcuz ever since then it seems like this club is slowly adjusting towards being a mid table team

 

[sebastian]

today there is some news about hiddink he quits russia after june the 30 so maybe we can get him after that