The War on Iran (5 Viewers)

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This biggest issue with combining religion and government is the fact that the divine law will always be seen as above man's law (by those that follow the religion in power). So if a certain leader is bad for his people, yet the people believe he is divine, then how can they kick him out?

 

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[JBF]

Not every religion have such "divine" people you know and not every religion could work in a country.

 

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Actually every religion has the potential to have such people and that is the problem.

To dismiss that idea by saying things like "not every religion has such 'divine' people" and "not every religion could work in a country" is just ignoring not only logic, but history.

The truth is every religion is filled with false prophets and those who will seek to gain power and hold it over a believing people. The utopia of a religious democracy is not possible.

 

[JBF]

So untrue.

 

[Fred]

The Six day war counts somewhat.

War for land.

We'd be 1000 years more advanced because there were no dark ages


If there was no religion the amount of wars would drop considerably, the main problem is that religion is a bullshit reason and is harmful to the human race. An Atheist world would be less violent but FULL of douches like me.

Speak for yourself, while you people were in dark ages, we in the East were producing knowledge and inventing shit


As for your second statement, that is an assumption based on nothing but pure speculation. Since we're making those, i'll make one myself.

An Atheist world would be a corrupt immoral world

 

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War for land.


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Which is why I said somewhat, there was already ongoing religious conflict.

 

[Fred]

Most of the time in history the religious conflict was between Christians and Jews more than it has been between Jews and Muslims, that changed only in the last century, when the Jews(not all of them i know) decided to become thieves.

 

[Bjerknes]

Actually every religion has the potential to have such people and that is the problem.

To dismiss that idea by saying things like "not every religion has such 'divine' people" and "not every religion could work in a country" is just ignoring not only logic, but history.

The truth is every religion is filled with false prophets and those who will seek to gain power and hold it over a believing people. The utopia of a religious democracy is not possible.

Just look at how many televangelists are polluting the airwaves.

Organized religion is nothing but a Charlatan's parlor trick.

An Atheist world would be a corrupt immoral world

Like the "moral" folks strapping bombs to their chests. Right.

 

[Fred]

Did you see the part before that? Or did you purposefully leave it out?

 

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[Fred]

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So untrue.

Do the mullah's that preach suicide bombings, outlaw singing, promote beating women represent the true teachings of Islam? Do polygamists represent the true doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? Did the Popes of the Dark Ages and their crusades represent the true teachings of Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit? Do televangelists that command armies of congregationists and call for the destruction of homosexuals, muslims, and cities with black people in them represent the true teachings of the New Testament?

The answer is: of course not. But the truth of the matter, whether you choose to believe it or not, is that those leaders have power, those leaders have the ability to command masses of people and those leaders represent their respective religions no matter how far from it they've deviated.

How someone could suggest a government in which people like that have the ability to come to power is beyond me.

 

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So what do you suggest the United States do, bomb your own country? Set up more coups in Iran for regime change? We already fund the Jundallah for them to stage terror attacks in the region, should we increase operations on that front?

I don't think war with Iran is in any of our interests. It would be the start of World War III.

All I want is what is best for the Iranian people without the loss of life.

i want USA to do more pressure against iran and war is inevitable. although war isn't best option but it is better than Iran reach nuclear bomb. USA has big mistakes against Iran. i think when USA in 1979 didn't support shah as his friend and was bey passive and inactive in defending of previous regime in Iran this is one of biggest mistakes of USA in middle east. USA didn't know Khomeini thought and this cause they can get government and use money of oil against USA in many parts of world.

 

[JBF]

Do the mullah's that preach suicide bombings, outlaw singing, promote beating women represent the true teachings of Islam? Do polygamists represent the true doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? Did the Popes of the Dark Ages and their crusades represent the true teachings of Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit? Do televangelists that command armies of congregationists and call for the destruction of homosexuals, muslims, and cities with black people in them represent the true teachings of the New Testament?

The answer is: of course not. But the truth of the matter, whether you choose to believe it or not, is that those leaders have power, those leaders have the ability to command masses of people and those leaders represent their respective religions no matter how far from it they've deviated.

How someone could suggest a government in which people like that have the ability to come to power is beyond me.

So you think only religious figures have such a powers to influence people regarding those issues? Ofcourse not.

Religious figures you previously mentioned, command their followers out of their charisma and lies too. So if it wasn't/isn't for their followers idiocy and lack of sight, they would have figured out that those so called religious leaders have derived away from the religion itself. So its not the religion itself that is at fault but rather the mischief of some of the followers which is predictable since we're all human, and the same happens with people in power wherever that may be who derive away from rules, commands and laws in order to gain their own profits.

 

[Bjerknes]

So, the Neo-Cunts are back fear-mongering again. These little pukes just never quit.

Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Israel has "eight days" to launch a military strike against Iran's Bushehr nuclear facility and stop Tehran from acquiring a functioning atomic plant, a former US envoy to the UN has said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100817/wl_afp/irannuclearpoliticsisraelusmilitary_20100817120240

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

WTF is this thread doing here?

 

[Bjerknes]

It was created before the political forum was developed.

Probably should be moved to politics.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah, it should be.

 

[Nenz]

This biggest issue with combining religion and government is the fact that the divine law will always be seen as above man's law (by those that follow the religion in power). So if a certain leader is bad for his people, yet the people believe he is divine, then how can they kick him out?

The only option is a peoples revolution if they want to establish a form of governance representitive of the citizens true interests.