The truth about Beijing Olympics (14 Viewers)

[AlexTheGreat]

Because most acts of territorial aggression are forgiven after the generation who lived through it die off. This is still pretty fresh, and that's the difference.

Doesn't make it right, but that's how humanity seems to operate, IMO.

your humanity tell you that you should watch millions of people suffer but do nothing about that?


according to some research in tibet, the current life expectancy in Tibet reached 60 years right now, in dalai lama era, this number will be cut in half. thats what I call humanity

 

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[swag]

your humanity tell you that you should watch millions of people suffer but do nothing about that?

Yes. Because sovereign nations are just that. The U.S. should not go bullying into Iraq to save the people from themselves. They end up, and they sure have, creating problems at least as bad.

according to some research in tibet, the current life expectancy in Tibet reached 60 years right now, in dalai lama era, this number will be cut in half. thats what I call humanity

That's a random and useless statistic, though:

Question: how much of that is do to the overall growth in life expectancy in general around the world due to advances in health care, medicine, hygiene, etc?

Question: when is life expectancy the basis for determining quality of life? A black male in America today has a short life span because of violence in their neighborhoods, etc. Is that a justification for going back to slavery where slave owners looked after their "property"?

This statistic is really quite useless.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

Yes. Because sovereign nations are just that. The U.S. should not go bullying into Iraq to save the people from themselves. They end up, and they sure have, creating problems at least as bad.



That's a random and useless statistic, though:

Question: how much of that is do to the overall growth in life expectancy in general around the world due to advances in health care, medicine, hygiene, etc?

Question: when is life expectancy the basis for determining quality of life? A black male in America today has a short life span because of violence in their neighborhoods, etc. Is that a justification for going back to slavery where slave owners looked after their "property"?

This statistic is really quite useless.

tibet was never a nation!

ye, the advances in health care, medicine, hygiene, etc do help the overall growth in life expectancy in general around the world, but guess what, a short life expectancy in dala lama era wasn't cause by short of medicine or lacking of health care. 90% of the population were slaves, they were tools and living currences. a tool wont need any of health care, medicine, or hygiene

and when life expectancy is not one of the basis for determining quality of life? I am not talking an individual case but millions, unless there are millions of people are shot in front of your door everyday

 

[swag]

tibet was never a nation!

You're splitting hairs here. But I understand that's the party line of belief.

ye, the advances in health care, medicine, hygiene, etc do help the overall growth in life expectancy in general around the world, but guess what, a short life expectancy in dala lama era wasn't cause by short of medicine or lacking of health care. 90% of the population were slaves, they were tools and living currences. a tool wont need any of health care, medicine, or hygiene

and when life expectancy is not one of the basis for determining quality of life? I am not talking an individual case but millions, unless there are millions of people are shot in front of your door everyday

I'm not at all arguing that the Tibetan regime prior to 1959 was abhorrent to 90% of the population there. But the question isn't about the ends. It's the means.

By your logic, the U.S. should invade pretty much all of the Third World.

Maybe that's what you think makes good policy. I don't. It's clear we don't agree on this point.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

You're splitting hairs here. But I understand that's the party line of belief.



I'm not at all arguing that the Tibetan regime prior to 1959 was abhorrent to 90% of the population there. But the question isn't about the ends. It's the means.

By your logic, the U.S. should invade pretty much all of the Third World.

Maybe that's what you think makes good policy. I don't. It's clear we don't agree on this point.

the different definition of what is the best for the people between us maybe due to the culture differences or under different education systems or more other factors, but the point is we all wish this world become better and everybody would live a good life. we may use different means, we might make mistakes but as long as we carry this same dream there is a hope we could meet eachother somewhere in sometime in the future, and I think thats the main rhythm of this Olympic Games

 

[swag]

Perhaps the greatest irony lost on many of the Chinese people is that you know you have arrived when the rest of the world bitches about you. The U.S. has experienced this for decades. This is new for China. But China needs to get used to it if it expects to be a world power. It comes with the territory.

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm not going to take the time to respond to some of the absurdities posted by you, AlextheGreat. You're clearly biased in this matter, and if you consider what is going on in Darfur a joke, you cannot be taken seriously. PetroChina must have drilled a pretty big hole in your head.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

I'm not going to take the time to respond to some of the absurdities posted by you, AlextheGreat. You're clearly biased in this matter, and if you consider what is going on in Darfur a joke, you cannot be taken seriously. PetroChina must have drilled a pretty big hole in your head.

who wouldnt?

its not a joke but exaggerated facts and lies. and you cant call those posts which you cant answer absurdities ones, that just show how arrogant you are.

we might take advantage of hatred between enemies, but we would never create hatred between peaceful people

 

[Bjerknes]

who wouldnt?

Me. I don't actually believe everything my media tells me, nor my government. Ask various people from this forum how much I criticize my own government, because they'll probably agree with me in this matter.

I do not hide behind my government and make excuses for blatant genocide as you do.

its not a joke but exaggerated facts and lies. and you cant call those posts which you cant answer absurdities ones, that just show how arrogant you are.

we might take advantage of hatred between enemies, but we would never create hatred between peaceful people

Sudan gets money, weapons and political backing from China. Because about 70 to 80 percent of Sudan's oil revenue is funneled into its military, China's oil assets in Sudan are "an undeniable and well-documented enabler of Khartoum's genocidal policy in Darfur," according to the Sudan Divestment Task Force.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/17/news/companies/pluggedin_gunther_darfur.fortune/

Warren Buffet pulled his holdings out of PTR after this stuff came into the news. So tell me, how does China not support genocide? That's right, you can't, because it's true.

 

[Seven]

People in America and Europe aren't influenced by the media as much as they are in China. The media have a big role in forming an image of foreign countries, but in America and Europe culture is based on individuals who criticise the world around them. This is far from a bad characteristic. We simply don't believe everything we're told.

The Chinese however are, to put it bluntly, all the same. That's what you get for having a political culture like that. There is no respect whatsoever for the individual. You're like ants basically.

 

[JCK]

I see you found the thread.

 

[fender06]

People in America and Europe aren't influenced by the media as much as they are in China. The media have a big role in forming an image of foreign countries, but in America and Europe culture is based on individuals who criticise the world around them. This is far from a bad characteristic. We simply don't believe everything we're told.

The Chinese however are, to put it bluntly, all the same. That's what you get for having a political culture like that. There is no respect whatsoever for the individual. You're like ants basically.

i've just read a book called " The Iraq War and its Consequences" written by Nobel Peace Laureates and Eminent Scholars, in one chapter, it criticizes that after 911, most of the US press are pro-gov and in favor of war against Iraq, the US gov administration attempts to mold public opinion and assert full spectrum dominance over all level of wartime communication.

And at last what we know is that most so called "bulletproof evidence" showing Hussein had ties with AL-Qaeda and Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction(WMD) are proved wrong, the US Army couldn't find any WMD. The US press are no better than the Chinese, they can be all controlled by the gov, the only difference may be the degree of media control, dont praise your country is full of liberty, freedom of press.....it just never appears in any country.

 

[fender06]

Me. I don't actually believe everything my media tells me, nor my government. Ask various people from this forum how much I criticize my own government, because they'll probably agree with me in this matter.

I do not hide behind my government and make excuses for blatant genocide as you do.



Sudan gets money, weapons and political backing from China. Because about 70 to 80 percent of Sudan's oil revenue is funneled into its military, China's oil assets in Sudan are "an undeniable and well-documented enabler of Khartoum's genocidal policy in Darfur," according to the Sudan Divestment Task Force.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/17/news/companies/pluggedin_gunther_darfur.fortune/

Warren Buffet pulled his holdings out of PTR after this stuff came into the news. So tell me, how does China not support genocide? That's right, you can't, because it's true.

in fact China can't prevent the use of weapons by Sudan even it sold weapons to Sudan. You must say that China has the responsibility to stop Sudan's genocide, yes! i support China to be more responsible in this issue, but it isn't China's fault that leading to genocide.

And I dont think there's a relationship between the big oil investments from China in Sudan and Sudan's genocide. China has many investments in African countries, not only Sudan, doing business and investments in these countries don't mean you have the rights to make intervention. China's most famous diplomacy policy is its non-intervention to other countries, the reverse of the US.

My opinion is based on the facts i know from both local and western press. I dont know whether China really supports genocide. But according to China's diplomacy policy and common sense, i think China has the responsibility of genocide because it can use its influence to urge Sudan stop genocide, but there's still no bulletproof evidence that China supports genocide. Sudan army using Chinese weapons dont mean China support its policies. In the 1980s, the US gov also sold weapons to Bin Laden and their purpose was more obvious, to use Bin Laden to against the USSR invasion.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

Me. I don't actually believe everything my media tells me, nor my government. Ask various people from this forum how much I criticize my own government, because they'll probably agree with me in this matter.

I do not hide behind my government and make excuses for blatant genocide as you do.



Sudan gets money, weapons and political backing from China. Because about 70 to 80 percent of Sudan's oil revenue is funneled into its military, China's oil assets in Sudan are "an undeniable and well-documented enabler of Khartoum's genocidal policy in Darfur," according to the Sudan Divestment Task Force.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/17/news/companies/pluggedin_gunther_darfur.fortune/

Warren Buffet pulled his holdings out of PTR after this stuff came into the news. So tell me, how does China not support genocide? That's right, you can't, because it's true.

ok, u don't believe ur media, so who told u about the genocide thing? alien？

the genocide original from the US government, in july 2004, the us congress agreed that what happened in sudan was a genocide by VOTING.

check the UN website in your region, can u see any words like genocide used by the UN to describ what happened in dafur right now? the UN send a invesigation team to sudan in 2005 for 4 months just for comfirming was there really a genocide happened in this area.

here are the names of the members of the investigation team, u can check their backgrounds, but if u insist China bribed these people then I have nothing more to say
David Hamburg(leading investigator)
Monica Andersson
Zackari Ibrahim
Romeo Dallaire
Gareth Evans
Robert Garreton
Sadako Ogata
Archbishop Desmond Tutu

 

[AlexTheGreat]

http://www.un.org/sg/articleFull.asp?TID=68&Type=Op-Ed

ffs, how many of u went to sudan before? how could a foreign petro company should respond for all of these disaster?

 

[fender06]

http://www.un.org/sg/articleFull.asp?TID=68&Type=Op-Ed

ffs, how many of u went to sudan before? how could a foreign petro company should respond for all of these disaster?

big US companies are everywhere in Iraq

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

yeah but they are there to help the iraqi people not make a profit

 

[swag]

Save Darfur.

I just hate the image of all those poor baby Dars being clubbed to death for their fur.

 

[Seven]

i've just read a book called " The Iraq War and its Consequences" written by Nobel Peace Laureates and Eminent Scholars, in one chapter, it criticizes that after 911, most of the US press are pro-gov and in favor of war against Iraq, the US gov administration attempts to mold public opinion and assert full spectrum dominance over all level of wartime communication.

And at last what we know is that most so called "bulletproof evidence" showing Hussein had ties with AL-Qaeda and Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction(WMD) are proved wrong, the US Army couldn't find any WMD. The US press are no better than the Chinese, they can be all controlled by the gov, the only difference may be the degree of media control, dont praise your country is full of liberty, freedom of press.....it just never appears in any country.

But it's Americans and Europeans writing these books. Look, everyone will tell you that I'm not a big fan of most things that go on in America, but comparing the situation there to the Chinese one is ridiculous. The way Americans are influenced by the media is very different and even if I do believe the Bush administration had a grip on various media, it's simply impossible for any government in the west to control all media sources.

Unlike you we already knew all this two, three years ago by the way.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Yea, I think I knew about that in 2003.