The truth about Beijing Olympics (5 Viewers)
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This is my observation from India, not that of the others I knew in India. It was pretty clear from the news reports of Chinese nuclear sub bases being built around the permeter of India that you really cannot see that as anything but an aggressive military move. I think the "worry about the Pakis instead" argument is a red herring. If it was, as you say, a "non issue", nuclear proliferation in the region wouldn't be a priority in China.
I remember entering China with a friend who had a Taiwanese passport, which Chinese immigration named with the "Your papers for returning home" euphemism. There are One China-minded folks in Taiwan, and most assuredly all over China. But you can't ignore how they got to be separate and pretend that it's just an internal issue. It wasn't until Chinese economic power came to rise that the officially-recognized capital of China went from Taipei to Beijing.
It's like the difference between a wife who says they're separated and files a restraining order and the husband who still keeps saying they're married and everything is fine.
That's the part I don't get that makes me believe China today is out to repeat the mistakes of the territorialism of Europe of the early 20th century. Land grabs and claims are a thing of the past (Tibet, Taiwan). While we may have seen German unification, that was because the separation was created by outside forces. Not so with Taiwan or Tibet. Just ask anyone in the former Yugoslavia about holding on to a bigger ideal of a bigger state with oppressive power and the repression of self-determination of peoples. It's as if the Chinese missed out on the industrial revolution and the bloody wars over claiming borders that Europe suffered 100 years ago, and now they want to make up for it -- ignoring the lessons of history.
Imperialism died as an idea in most of the world a century ago, but apparently it's alive and kicking in China.
I think you're being focused exclusively on the commie piece, Vinman. Which is partly accurate, but partly deceptive.
Take a country like Poland who was living in the grip of the Soviet Union. They made the pope into their alternative leadership rebellion of the status quo. In Vietnam, what you had was a lot of villagers who sided with the ideals of becoming independent from what was going on there (years of rule under foreign countries) and sold their soul to the commies to pull off breaking away from that.
To suggest that the Vietnamese people embraced communism out of love for repression and totalitarian rule is more than a bit of a distortion.
Nice photo, broseppi.
I remember entering China with a friend who had a Taiwanese passport, which Chinese immigration named with the "Your papers for returning home" euphemism. There are One China-minded folks in Taiwan, and most assuredly all over China. But you can't ignore how they got to be separate and pretend that it's just an internal issue. It wasn't until Chinese economic power came to rise that the officially-recognized capital of China went from Taipei to Beijing.
It's like the difference between a wife who says they're separated and files a restraining order and the husband who still keeps saying they're married and everything is fine.
That's the part I don't get that makes me believe China today is out to repeat the mistakes of the territorialism of Europe of the early 20th century. Land grabs and claims are a thing of the past (Tibet, Taiwan). While we may have seen German unification, that was because the separation was created by outside forces. Not so with Taiwan or Tibet. Just ask anyone in the former Yugoslavia about holding on to a bigger ideal of a bigger state with oppressive power and the repression of self-determination of peoples. It's as if the Chinese missed out on the industrial revolution and the bloody wars over claiming borders that Europe suffered 100 years ago, and now they want to make up for it -- ignoring the lessons of history.
Imperialism died as an idea in most of the world a century ago, but apparently it's alive and kicking in China.
Independence ??? Are you fucking kidding me ??
You have, and will always be China's bitch
The whole reason your still under communist rule is because of China....the whole reason you gave the USA any fight at all in the conflict was because the Chinese supplied you with weapons and technology
And now....your country is poor, and poverty is widespread
gotta love Communism :melayyanandmessi:
You have, and will always be China's bitch
The whole reason your still under communist rule is because of China....the whole reason you gave the USA any fight at all in the conflict was because the Chinese supplied you with weapons and technology
And now....your country is poor, and poverty is widespread
gotta love Communism :melayyanandmessi:
Take a country like Poland who was living in the grip of the Soviet Union. They made the pope into their alternative leadership rebellion of the status quo. In Vietnam, what you had was a lot of villagers who sided with the ideals of becoming independent from what was going on there (years of rule under foreign countries) and sold their soul to the commies to pull off breaking away from that.
To suggest that the Vietnamese people embraced communism out of love for repression and totalitarian rule is more than a bit of a distortion.
Nice photo, broseppi.
+ :burke: + :xfinger: = 
OR 
Honestly, I don't see what is so "great" about China. First it was the Chinese civil war right after WWII, then it was Mao murdering his own people for about 25 years with a death toll of around 40,000,000 people, then on to the systematic murder of Falun Gong practitioners even today while the Chinese government stock piles the vital organs of those they've killed. Their government can practically torture and murder anybody they want in their own country.
So what on Earth is so "great" about China besides their "great military" and their Great Wall?
So what on Earth is so "great" about China besides their "great military" and their Great Wall?