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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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awful for who osman?
Football is about meritocracy at its core, the core idea of this venture besides pure greed, is that its a closed permanent membership league. Which is just awful idea, you should play and compete for your spot, not just be handed it every season cuz you are deemed profitable enough to belong. That's dumb as hell.



Who cares about UEFA, fuck them, but most of you here jumping on board head first on this BS just reeks of contrarian group think. A collective pavlonian reaction. This whole project reads like a bad joke, and most here trying to sugar coat it,makes no sense to me.
 

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PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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So Perez pretty much ruled out German clubs and PSG, yet we still need 3 more clubs to make this happen.

His criteria is 'the ones that matter the most in terms of entertainment'.

So who's left?

I can think of a handful of french teams, Monaco, Marseille, Lyon - although its unlikely they'll accept considering the backlash.

Dutch league, maybe PSV Eindhoven?

Portuguese league - even though rumours have it supposedly they ruled themselves out, Benfica, Porto, Sporting?

Then there's, Shakhtar, Dinamo Kiev, Olympiakos, Celtic (lol)

He did go onto say Roma and Napoli in the future, but they dont seem to be part of the plans right now.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
Football is about meritocracy at its core, the core idea of this venture besides pure greed, is that its a closed permanent membership league. Which is just awful idea, you should play and compete for your spot, not just be handed it every season cuz you are deemed profitable enough to belong. That's dumb as hell.

Who cares about UEFA, fuck them, but most of you here jumping on board head first on this BS just reeks of contrarian group think. A collective pavlonian reaction. This whole project reads like a bad joke, and most here trying to sugar coat it,makes no sense to me.
So you prefer current CL over ESL? Because neither from a sporting perspective, nor from the wellbeing of Juventus I prefer current CL over proposed ESL format.
 

Juliano13

Senior Member
May 6, 2012
5,017
So Perez pretty much ruled out German clubs and PSG, yet we still need 3 more clubs to make this happen.

His criteria is 'the ones that matter the most in terms of entertainment'.

So who's left?

I can think of a handful of french teams, Monaco, Marseille, Lyon - although its unlikely they'll accept considering the backlash.

Dutch league, maybe PSV Eindhoven?

Portuguese league - even though rumours have it supposedly they ruled themselves out, Benfica, Porto, Sporting?

Then there's, Shakhtar, Dinamo Kiev, Olympiakos, Celtic (lol)

He did go onto say Roma and Napoli in the future, but they dont seem to be part of the plans right now.
I assume next in line would be three of Leicester, Napoli, Roma, Sevilla, Ajax, Porto, maybe Everton.
 

Scottish

Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
10,284
Full interview with Florentino Perez about the Super League

Perez (Real Madrid): "Football is going through a very tough situation, and the Super League will save the clubs financially. When there is no profit, the only way is to play more competitive games during the week.

40% of young people are not interested in football because there are too many low quality games. We have to adapt and football has to evolve. The Super League is not a closed league, every year 5 teams can join.

Players who play the Super League will NOT be banned from their national teams.

UEFA is a monopoly and it has to end. Football is on the verge of totally ending. We have to act, and act fast. The UEFA have a new UCL format for 2024 but in 2024 we, the clubs would have been dead already.

PSG have not been invited. We haven't even spoken to any German clubs. We are now 12 clubs, we want to become 15 clubs. The super league will not be cancelled.

The 15 founding clubs are the ones that matter the most in terms of entertainment. Teams like Napoli and Roma will have a chance to be in the competition one year or another let's see"

The champions league is losing interest. Will the super league ever lose interest? No, because games will be between big clubs.

VAR will be in the Super league, referees will also improve and they will be FFP (financial fair play). So much money has been lost, we can’t afford to lose anymore. We have been working on this project for 20 years and here we are. We owe it to all the fans of these clubs. We will improve football for all of them.

We have announced it now because we want to start with it next season. The clubs signed the agreement on 17th April. The contract is binding, nobody can leave, there aren’t any problems between any of the clubs, everything is signed and agreed but that's not a problem because everyone is in agreement.

I know what Lebron James is earning but not what the UEFA President is earning There is no transparency.

There will be a 55% salary cap and We might have to make the football matches shorter, if young people find them too long!

BIG CLUBS WILL GET A LOT OF MONEY, THEN WE WILL DISTRIBUTE IT TO EVERYONE. THERE COULD ALSO BE A SECOND DIVISION OF THE SUPER LEAGUE. “
My take on all of this is that firstly he's right that football has gone way downhill over the past decade, but in my view it's because of top teams playing uninspiring football. I don't mean in the case of CL group stage big team vs minnow matches, I mean that nearly everybody plays bland football on the pitch. I'm also not talking about teams set up to grind out results via hard work like Conte's Juve or what I've seen of Simeone's Atlético teams. I'm talking about a PSG with all this flashy, electric talent up front aimlessly pissing about for 85 minutes, and winning after 5 minutes of inspired play from two of players. Champions League quarters this year: PSG vs Bayern, Chelsea vs Porto, Liverpool vs Madrid, BVB vs Man City. Snooze-a-doodle-do, and then the most boring of each pair actually got through to the semis.

A major problem with football has been the concentration of talent in a few clubs who hire the best scouts and snap up all the world's best young talent, knowing fine well that they can't field more than 11 players at any one time. They then give these youngsters huge amounts of money based on their possible ceiling (meaning prematurely, and way too early in their careers), and most of them lose their hunger and don't realise their talent.

How will the Super League affect this concentration issue? Hard to say, it'd be easy to forecast that having the richest teams in a circlejerk will result in them getting richer, and the situation getting worse. On the other hand, if this is any kind of genuine effort to save football the financial side has to be completely revamped, and besides this salary cap thing Perez has mentioned I'd like to see a squad size limit - although of course that's implied in a salary cap scenario. Maybe the revamp of transfer protocol will be wider, and will do something to spread the talent back out again like it was in the 1990s - an era which I think most of us consider world football's last golden age.

Anyway while I don't believe for a second that these billionaire owners are doing this motivated by anything besides business, there is potential to this concept, but if they are reorganising football for the 21st century I hope they do it right. The idea that this move is killing the heart of football is naive: professional football has long since been living on its own planet. Equally naive is believing that the team owners are doing this on behalf of the fans. Let's be clear: they don't give a fuck about us. He's right though that FIFA and UEFA are rotten to the core. I'm interested to see how this pans out knowing that there's not really much at stake. Even our Juventus has been setting up tifo displays in English for years, decided to move away from a traditional club badge to turn us into 'a lifestyle brand', signed Ronaldo as a marketing move and last year we changed our actual strip because USA focus groups said black and white stripes reminded them of referees. The romantic dream of football is dead anyway, so if they can improve on an increasingly dull spectacle let's see what happens.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,931
I assume next in line would be three of Leicester, Napoli, Roma, Sevilla, Ajax, Porto, maybe Everton.
Sevilla's categorically ruled themselves out yesterday. Leicester are they EPL darlings so they won't leave, their owner all be it foreign has grown its roots closer to the fans unlike some of the other rich chairmans. Napoli, will revolt, Roma i would happily see accept this, they've been more forward-thinking, but I get the impression, not yet from Perez.. Porto, i'd really like them to be in there and possibility. Everton, just like Leicester, i just cant see another EPL team joining.

EDIT: Just read Benfica, Valencia and Borussia Moenchengladbach criticised the superleague. Porto president also ruled themselves out.

Only a few remain.
 
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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,052
I was sceptical few months ago about SL but moving on from CL seems like natural progression. CL is already semi closed competition. What are the chances clubs like Juve, Real or Barca missing out to qualify? 1/10, less? Eventually Uefa would close the competition as well, with permanent and rotating teams. This would be inevitable, they conceded too many times already but instead of waiting out 5-6 years, few hundreds of meaningless matches, top clubs sped up the process. Im getting excited about it, Serie A and top leagues will still be very important, there will be plenty of great games and rivalries that cant be extinguished. Scudetto will always remain our objective. Embrace the new era. Lets see how this pans out.
 

K.O.

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2005
13,883
I'm pretty sure a lot of the clubs who publicly criticized the ESL are just waiting to see the end of the legal battle between ESL and UEFA. I suspect because they aren't sure what are the financial benefits of being among the founding clubs, it's just risky to join early.

The tune of Bayern's Rummenigge, for example, suggests he is open for future discussions.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,469
So Perez pretty much ruled out German clubs and PSG, yet we still need 3 more clubs to make this happen.

His criteria is 'the ones that matter the most in terms of entertainment'.

So who's left?

I can think of a handful of french teams, Monaco, Marseille, Lyon - although its unlikely they'll accept considering the backlash.

Dutch league, maybe PSV Eindhoven?

Portuguese league - even though rumours have it supposedly they ruled themselves out, Benfica, Porto, Sporting?

Then there's, Shakhtar, Dinamo Kiev, Olympiakos, Celtic (lol)

He did go onto say Roma and Napoli in the future, but they dont seem to be part of the plans right now.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,722
Football is about meritocracy at its core, the core idea of this venture besides pure greed, is that its a closed permanent membership league. Which is just awful idea, you should play and compete for your spot, not just be handed it every season cuz you are deemed profitable enough to belong. That's dumb as hell.



Who cares about UEFA, fuck them, but most of you here jumping on board head first on this BS just reeks of contrarian group think. A collective pavlonian reaction. This whole project reads like a bad joke, and most here trying to sugar coat it,makes no sense to me.
why is it so awful that everyone just freaks out and sells is as the end of football? do you have a suggestion for a solution for those problems, or do you agree that uefa's cl reform would be a better idea?
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,994
why is it so awful that everyone just freaks out and sells is as the end of football? do you have a suggestion for a solution for those problems, or do you agree that uefa's cl reform would be a better idea?
People are afraid of change. It's like Brexit in the UK half the population freaked out and thought this was the end of the UK economy blah blah.
 
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