The Super League (26 Viewers)

[Fred]

Do you have subscription @DAiDEViL @lgorTudor

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/super-league-politik-1.5273477?reduced=true

Apparently (according to my local sport site), they claim that Putin put pressure on Abramovic, because Gazprom is CL sponsor and EURO is in Sankt Petersburg.

They also claim Saudis were financially backing it, so City's sheikh stepped out (why was he there in the 1st place then?) and PSG didn't want to be part. Perez is on good terms with Saudis (his firm does some construction projects there) and brought them in to the SL. This all is what I read on my local site, then I went to Sueddeutsche to double check and I need subscription

Don't forget that PSG's president is also the President of Bein Sport. Which stood to lose a lot, because they paid huge money for CL broadcasting rights.

 

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[lgorTudor]

Do you have subscription @DAiDEViL @lgorTudor

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/super-league-politik-1.5273477?reduced=true

Apparently (according to my local sport site), they claim that Putin put pressure on Abramovic, because Gazprom is CL sponsor and EURO is in Sankt Petersburg.

They also claim Saudis were financially backing it, so City's sheikh stepped out (why was he there in the 1st place then?) and PSG didn't want to be part. Perez is on good terms with Saudis (his firm does some construction projects there) and brought them in to the SL. This all is what I read on my local site, then I went to Sueddeutsche to double check and I need subscription

Not paying for SZ toilet paper but these Middle East and Putin shenanigans sound reasonable and exactly the type of stuff you'd expect to happen in the background.

Not 200 Deans and Sharons stopping SL

 

[edgardavids2608]

There should be a minimum 3 leagues and give spots to big teams but then letting sports take over. I think this was the long term plan maybe? Eventually the individual leagues would need to be restructured into the cl style where the super league is the full season actual league.

 

[Valerio.]

Well Henry, Bergkamp and Vieira are no longer playing for Arsenal, Xhaka, Lacazette and Aubameyang are. This current crop of players have done nothing to deserve being in this competition. Lets not kid ourselves, the only reason those teams are in it is because of Tv views, social media following; basically the ability to generate gate receipts and tv revenue. Do you really think thats the right way to do it? Because we both know that the criteria for choosing these teams has nothing to do with sporting merit.

Otherwise Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest and Leeds have much bigger histories than the likes of City and Chelsea, domestically and regionally. So why aren't they in, if the issue is whether we should take last year or last century.

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But you are ok with brand value, viewers and social media followers being criteria for entering an elite competition?

And what you're saying about juve, City and Chelsea is true. But still, on the pitch they have to get results like everyone else to be in a regional competition. So yes, its never going to be 100% based on sporting merit, but its bad enough already, you want to remove merit almost fully?

also it was such a terrible execution, even these organizers dont have a clear plan. Nobody knows, for example, how the other 5 teams will be selected. It probably also has more to do with social media followers and brand value.

well also Tottenham.
Beside a CL lost final what did they do to be in?
The point is we needed EPL teams due to global popularity.
Because then if we really brought in those teams that either won nationally or internationally they would be City,United,Chelsea and Liberpool.
Arsenal is literally a fan-base decision while Tottenham I don't even know their reason.

 

[Fred]

well also Tottenham.
Beside a CL lost final what did they do to be in?
The point is we needed EPL teams due to global popularity.
Because then if we really brought in those teams that either won nationally or internationally they would be City,United,Chelsea and Liberpool.
Arsenal is literally a fan-base decision while Tottenham I don't even know their reason.

and you are ok with that??

 

[Elvin]

and you are ok with that??

I am.

Number of fans = they have done things right throughout their history = people wanna watch them = money.

 

[Valerio.]

and you are ok with that??

well not that much but if it meant Tv rights being super huge... well you need 20teams.
So my core teams would've been:
Real
Barca
Atletico
Bayern
Liverpool
Chelsea
United
City
Juventus
Milan
Inter
PSG

I honestly would've made the "core members" this 12 teams
Then bring in fillers teams which either bring an economic value or are simply strong
Arsenal cause it's really popular world wide. For some weird reason as they aren't a winning team neither nationally or internationally.
Dortmund
Porto
Ajax
Lipsia (rich owner)
River Plate
Boca Junior
Atalanta

You must have some kind of appeal (fan base , strenght or economic power)
Then I would've made those 12 the fix core and the others spot variable based on "rankings"
But some teams really need new stadiums.
Also I agree that you need some kind of going up and downs but make it like a "the worst of the rankings in a 3 years period"

I would be in for balancing teams every year.
Like giving last 4 teams a first pick over other teams players in the league
Salary Cap (over money gained from TV rights not whole revenue)
Price Tags Cap
No agents FEE in anyway.
Deciding a % of money from everything to be given to the "league" to buy the best players/best talents that pop up to be drafted like NBA

Having playoff between the best 8 teams after the end of the regular season
Having a playout between the last 8 teams to decide the worst every year

And few more tweaks

 

[Seven]

I'm completely against a closed league as I think big part of football is about promotion/relegation and about small clubs having the ability to grow.

But man, is it hard to pick sides in this debate.

They're all fucking cunts.

 

[Elvin]

But man, is it hard to pick sides in this debate.

They're all fucking cunts.

Why? You are a Juve fan. Pick the side that Juve is on. Easy.

 

[Seven]

Why? You are a Juve fan. Pick the side that Juve is on. Easy.

Juventus isn't really on any side. Neither are the clubs involved. It's just business men trying to make money, but clubs are beyond the Agnellis of the world.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Dont particularly agree with Arsenal and Spurs brought in there but they may have been backup options based on the conversations. I guess we will never know. Also recently Barcelona in their statement highlighted how sporting merit is important, they wouldn't say that just to appease unless if they are backtracking. It just feels like there's not enough information to form a solid opinion either way.

Once things for sure and been said before, every club and their fans see things selfishly, Premier League clubs are well off, they maybe in debt, but they'd love the opportunity to earn more money. Juve, Real, Barca, Milan, Inter, Atletico, not so much, in fact they are struggling, they wanted a 'fair' superleague. I'm not sure how money in terms of tv rights gets distributed across the big leagues but it seems the big teams will always get the biggest amount regardless, whether its based on performance or the number of fans/viewers so this is in a way the same. As for the lower leagues, again there was speculation of a second superleague which think one of Perez/Agnelli hinted on, something like that could work. Whatever the case, they were shut up before they could speak. The only thing I don't get is, what's stopping them to reveal the proposed superleague plans now, why can't they still come out with it all? I'm guessing it's because the plan was flawed and at the infancy stages or they're licking their wounds. Whatever the case, ive seen number of comments from Perez, about how they will just work on another project in his last interview and in his own words ' we are open to everything that will improve football'

 

[Elvin]

Juventus isn't really on any side. Neither are the clubs involved. It's just business men trying to make money, but clubs are beyond the Agnellis of the world.

Well Juve is 100% dependent on the Agnellis, so it's pretty safe to say whatever side they're on is Juve's side as well. At least, as of now.

 

[PhRoZeN]

The English 'Big Six' have already lost £8m each after their European Super League was killed off in days... and they could still face huge financial punishments for breaking their contracts.

lol

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...rice-backing-Super-League-insist-lawyers.html

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So according to this we pulled out, but based on our last statement we were not. Which one is it?

https://en.as.com/en/2021/04/21/football/1619003134_522793.html

 

[pavluska]

There should be a minimum 3 leagues and give spots to big teams but then letting sports take over. I think this was the long term plan maybe? Eventually the individual leagues would need to be restructured into the cl style where the super league is the full season actual league.

This would be the best, even with two leagues.

But they had to start somewhere.

Above plus transfers/salary overhaul, meaningful internationals, less power for UEFA and FIFA, and you've a sensible, entertaining and up to date sport.

 

[Siamak]

The English 'Big Six' have already lost £8m each after their European Super League was killed off in days... and they could still face huge financial punishments for breaking their contracts.

lol

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...rice-backing-Super-League-insist-lawyers.html

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So according to this we pulled out, but based on our last statement we were not. Which one is it?

https://en.as.com/en/2021/04/21/football/1619003134_522793.html

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.
Mike Tyson.

 

[pavluska]

There should be a minimum 3 leagues and give spots to big teams but then letting sports take over. I think this was the long term plan maybe? Eventually the individual leagues would need to be restructured into the cl style where the super league is the full season actual league.

This would be the best, even with two leagues.

But they had to start somewhere.

Above plus transfers/salary overhaul, meaningful internationals, less power for UEFA and FIFA, and you've a sensible, entertaining and up to date sport.

The English 'Big Six' have already lost £8m each after their European Super League was killed off in days... and they could still face huge financial punishments for breaking their contracts.

lol

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...rice-backing-Super-League-insist-lawyers.html

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So according to this we pulled out, but based on our last statement we were not. Which one is it?

https://en.as.com/en/2021/04/21/football/1619003134_522793.html

Cuck plebs criticized our stmt when it was perfect from legal pov once again

 

[Dostoevsky]

Why? You are a Juve fan. Pick the side that Juve is on. Easy.

No thanks, I'd rather use my brain. Juve wanted super league and that league is retarded imo, I don't care if it's Juve or Barca if the idea is bad and, at least imo, it is.

 

[jukazem]

and you are ok with that??

I want Juve to play the PL sides for myself. Because I want to watch games with friends and family who all support PL teams or top LaLiga instead of watching Juve vs Benevento by myself lol.
That said it would have been fair if fans also supported football clubs on merit rather than historical biases, then there wouldn't be requirement for a closed league with Arsenal or Milan.

 

[pavluska]

That said it would have been fair if fans also supported football clubs on merit rather than historical biases, then there wouldn't be requirement for a closed league with Arsenal or Milan.

Boom.

Also interesting how big history of a club is always evaluated based on how many trophies they won and not on any other story

 

[Elvin]

I want Juve to play the PL sides for myself. Because I want to watch games with friends and family who all support PL teams or top LaLiga instead of watching Juve vs Benevento by myself lol.

Good point.