The Return of The King (3 Viewers)

[Gandalf]

for all who criticized this movie..

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Dec. 29, 2003
Box Office: Return Is Still King

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) — During the biggest Christmas weekend in history, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King retained its crown at the North American box office with an estimated haul of $51.2 million.
The last film in New Line's epic trilogy, based on the works of J.R.R. Tolkien and directed by Peter Jackson , has accrued an impressive $223.7 million in 12 days.

Despite its three-and-a-half-hour running time, King crossed the $200 million mark Saturday after 11 days — the second fastest to that level behind Sony's Spider-Man, which reached that plateau in nine days. Its three-day tally represents a drop of only 29 percent from its opening stanza.

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Dec. 19, 2003
Return of the King Sets Wednesday Record

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) — The final installment in the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy set a new box-office record for a Wednesday launch and posted the third-highest opening-day gross of all time, its distributor said on Thursday.
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of The King sold about $34.1 million worth of tickets in movie theaters across North America on Wednesday, a figure that includes $8 million from midnight Tuesday screenings.

The previous record for a Wednesday opening was held by Star Wars: Episode I — The Phantom Menace, which bowed with $28.5 million in 1999. The all-time one-day opening record of $39.4 million is held by last year's Spider-Man, followed by The Matrix Reloaded earlier this year with $37.5 million.

Among its Lord of the Rings predecessors, The Fellowship of the Ring grossed $18.2 million during its first day in December 2001, while The Two Towers kicked off with $26.1 million last year, a figure that now ranks No. 3 among Wednesday openings.

The new film should surpass the $102 million that The Two Towers racked up during its first five days, said Rolf Mittweg, president of worldwide marketing and distribution at New Line Cinema, which released the trilogy.

Given the film's near unanimous praise from critics and moviegoers alike, "I don't think anything can go wrong, actually," he said in an interview.

Additionally, the movie grossed $23.5 million from 19 countries, setting opening-day records in at least 12 of them, Mittweg said. Day-one totals included $5.2 million from Britain, $5 million from Germany, and $3 million from France.

The three Lord of the Rings movies, based on the novels by J.R.R. Tolkien, were directed by Peter Jackson in his native New Zealand. Together, the first two films have grossed about $655 million in North America alone.

Earlier Thursday, the film picked up four Golden Globe nominations, for best picture, director, score, and song.

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I understand why some of you were disappointed about TROTK..

but, what I was trying to say is that it is still a great movie.. it didn't fulfill J.J.R Tolkien's thoughts and ideas, but IMHOI think it is a great movie.. the records above proves I'm right..

 

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[Hydde]

I have just seen the movie hours ago, and i enjoyed it a lot... veyr cool.. and it ended in a excellent way!!.

Apart from the differences with the book.. i have to say that this trilogy will be a classic in the cinematographic history.


Hye just a question...........

IN the end... frodo,gandalf,the elves and Bilbo start a trip to where????

Someone said that they where heading to die somewhere..-.. but why?? i dont understand why they leaved in that boat! help!

 

[Hydde]

Bt.. another question............. i dont know if this thing only happens in panama but....

in all the 3 movies.. u know that there were some secens of frodo and sam , being to "lovely" to each other. I know that it was just because there were good friends.. but... everyone in the cinema were laughing at them and making fun f those scenes.. specially in the last movie......... jeje it was pretty funny in some occations.
The`poeple screaming like "kiss him kiss him"

it happened in your countries too?

 

[Gandalf]

++ [ originally posted by Hydde ] ++
Bt.. another question............. i dont know if this thing only happens in panama but....

in all the 3 movies.. u know that there were some secens of frodo and sam , being to "lovely" to each other. I know that it was just because there were good friends.. but... everyone in the cinema were laughing at them and making fun f those scenes.. specially in the last movie......... jeje it was pretty funny in some occations.
The`poeple screaming like "kiss him kiss him"

it happened in your countries too?

yeah, it happened.. :groan: and I didn't like it.. those who make such funny statements doesn't understand the true friendship between sam and frodo..

++ [ originally posted by Hydde ] ++
I have just seen the movie hours ago, and i enjoyed it a lot... veyr cool.. and it ended in a excellent way!!.

Apart from the differences with the book.. i have to say that this trilogy will be a classic in the cinematographic history.


Hye just a question...........

IN the end... frodo,gandalf,the elves and Bilbo start a trip to where????

Someone said that they where heading to die somewhere.. .. but why?? i dont understand why they leaved in that boat! help!

let me put it this way for you to understand..


LOTR is a story about war.. and I believe about passages or initiations, but when war is over.. when the passage is crossed.. or some part of it is.. what does peace/light mean? Does it mean to go back to old ways.. not to be disturbed.. forgetting about what happened? Or does it mean to reflect on the past and remember it and learn the lessons of war, as Frodo tries to do with the Red Book? What if peace was not a time for comfort, but a time to heal and to go ahead and understand and find new ways of honouring life? A time to find what we have best in each of us in order to do so? A time for the cleansing, for the ‘scouring’ of our inner shires?

Frodo chose to leave Middle-Earth because he could not find anything for him there that would give him peace.. His decision honours life, honours hope, continuation.. In leaving, in a way he is saying: “The Shire has been saved, but not for me, I have given all for this and now I have to find some other way to feel whole again” and in doing that, he is telling Sam and all his friends that he will not abandon himself to death, suffering and decay.. What better example of love than that? it tells us that losing something does indeed mean gaining something else..

As well, with Frodo leaving for the Undying Lands, Sam is ‘free’ to live his own life.. ‘to be whole’ again as he was meant to be.. All the time spent to repair and heal the Shire after the ravages of war is telling of Sam’s inner strength and vital force.. Of course Frodo is changed as well.. Frodo was part of the Third Age, and indeed he became an instrument that allowed the passage to the Fourth Age.. he was himself forced to let go of wizards and elves to count only on his 'humanity' to go on on his quest, with Sam as a symbol of vitality and hope...


anyway, at the end of LOTR, there are many things that change.. of course, people choose new paths.. destinies are twisted.. the Elves are leaving and so on.. A new Age has begun indeed, the Age of Men.. What strikes me is how more free the people seem to be in the end, even beside the obvious ‘freedom’ that the destruction of the Ring allows.. Aragorn is a bit afraid of that freedom.. with Gandalf leaving Middle-Earth.. he would have wished him to stay longer to help him rule, he is at lost for a while.. But isn’t the Age of Men precisely that: the Age of Choice, the Age of your own destiny, the Age where no-one will define the rules but yourself, for your own life? Together, Men rule their own lands with no Wizards, no Elves to guide them. Men are left to themselves to judge their own actions and decisions.. Yes we could look at things and see that much of what once was is lost.. and indeed much was lost, knowledge, wisdom, beauty.. But maybe because I have always been an eternal optimist, I can’t help it but see that this new Age is a new beginning and even a chance for Men to ‘show their quality’.

 

[Ferrari^M]

I found another article that expresses me and i'm posting it since i'm not that good at expressing my self

PS. I'm not posting this to blame anyone on what he/she said, it just matches with my views and i respect and accept everyone's opinion

Oh and what i agree the most in this article is that the best thing about the films, is that it has made millions of people who didn't know the book, read them like myself, and enjoy Tolkien. That's the most important thing of all... And sorry about the language, that's the only thing i disagree in this article...

"I am so tired of the Tolkien-Nazis who call themselves purists. A Tolkien Purist is someone who loves the works of Tolkien and appreciates others love of Tolkien as well. Peter Jackson and all those who were involved in these productions loved Tolkien and his work. It shows in the detail, nuances and homage paid to the literary trilogy throughout the movie trilogy.

I have read reviews in here that say their vision of Tolkien's world was superior to Jackson's. Great! I would love to see your interpretation! Do what Jackson did. Procure the rights, get financial backing and present your vision to the world. The only person out there who has any right to critique Jackson's work is Ralph Bashki. At least those two men loved the work of Tolkien enough to make a go of it. The rest of you whiners and complainers are just that.

Do you seriously believe that these are bad movies?!? The critical and popular world is in disagreement with you. Rarely does a movie, let alone three, garner such critical and box office success as these films have. And the major reason these films have had the success they have enjoyed is because of the source material.

Jackson has not ruined Tolkien, you Tolkien-Nazi Morons. He has given the world an incredible gift. He has opened up the world of Middle-Earth for millions who might never have gone there. Think of how many people have since opened up and read the trilogies because of these films. Think how many people are enjoying the works of Tolkien because of the work of Jackson and company: People just like me and you and all of those who first fell in love with one of the most beautiful stories ever written in the history of mankind. Jackson and company led them there and a True Tolkien Purist would be glad they did.

Did I like everything about the films. No, far from it. At times I was disappointed that the interpretation was not the way I had envisioned it when I read and reread the books over the last twenty years. Often though, my disappointment was removed once I viewed the extended DVD. And that is the beauty of the times we live in. Jackson has created two versions of the film. The Theatrical version: which satisfies the general populace who don't know the books and would be lost in all of the literary references, and the Extended Edition which includes all those extra scenes that for times sake could not be shown in Theatres. My children loved the films, two have since read the books (the other two would not read if you held their feet to the fire). I am so grateful to Jackson for opening this world to my family.

Books are not movies. I have my vision of middle earth and Peter Jackson has his. I am glad that Jackson had the gumption to share his vision with me. I am so grateful that I am not so soured and narrowminded that I can not appreciate what a gift I have received for the last three Christmases. I can go to middle earth by book or by film again and again. I feel so sorry for those of you who can't because of your closemindedness. These films will live on just like the books did. They are that good despite what you Tolkien-Nazis think. I pray that Jackson is given a shot at producing the Hobbit so I can go to middle-earth again on a distant Christmas day."

 

[violette]

++ [ originally posted by Roverbhoy ] ++

Any real experts on Middle Earth here? I'd like to ask a question about Glorfindel....are there two Glorfindels in the history of ME? One saves Frodo, but the Silmarilion says Glorfindel died much earlier than this fighting a Balrog?

Violette...you know your stuff. Can you help here please?

About Glorfindel Resurrection(?) is really a myth for me.
Is here a bug by JRRT? or is there any other explanation in his works by JRRT? Or maybe he just like Gandalf come back from the Shadow and upgrade to the Glorfindel 2.0?

Sorry! I'm not an expert of the Middle earth.
If you got any question I guess Shadowfax knows better that me. He is the expert here. or you can go here:
www.tolkiensociety.org . I think(?)you can ask any kind of question to them.

 

[violette]

OH! BTW, I am not criticize, I am only groaning.
I Believe all the hype about this movie, and as I said before ROTK is the best movie I saw in last year.( ofcause one of the reasons is that I didn't saw many movie last year. I just save all my love waiting for ROTK.)

and what I an groaning for? I just fear that LOTR--a story that carries far more humane weight that the most moviegoers won't never understand. I'm just afraid that ROTK only attracts those computer freaks and Scifiction Nerds. I am just sad that millions of viewers will enjoy ROTK without ever understanding the great story beyond the story. Oh...what I am talking about! Never mind me! :fool::down:


I think discussion/critic is healthy to this movie.
every discussion/critic is nothing but a homage to this film .
besides, Critic works really!

Due to strong protest on internet that's why Arwen didn't show up in Helm's Deep.
Cuz Critic PJ changed the scenes and remade the movie better. Ex. See the comic below: At first Aragon murmured "Arwen~~~~", it made audience laughed, and than it changed to "Brego~~~" in the new version.:thumb:

Do you want a more perfect ROTK EE DVD in next November? Speak it out! PJ will listen!:thumb:
Imho, it's like a conspirasy. Join it and wait & see!
Maybe we can even have a LOTR TV series in the future/(*dreaming~~~*)


now! easy! and enjoy the comic

 

[Ferrari^M]

Hehehehe yes indeed we can influence jackson and we should seek for the perfect you are right.

Roll on Extended DVD!

 

[vitoria_Ally]

I saw it yesterday, and I didnt like it :frown:
I was so impatient to watch it at last, and I was so bored watching it.

The first part was very good and such "adventure" part.
The second is still my fav, such "battle" part.
But this one: it was just such nothing, just last part to finish the whole story.

I didnt understand watching previous two parts: why elves were leaving, but they said sth like that in the Return of...: that the main ring was distroyed, so their ring lost its power too, that's why they have to leave. I didnt read books, so that's why I couldnt get some things.

 

[Hydde]

Good Posts ganfdalf and Ferrai!!.

It can be seen how much you loves the series. Sadly, i have never developed the "reading" skills and i dont dedicate too much time to the books...
but as u said.. i would have neer discovered this great story without the movies.

I already knew about the lord of the rings years before the movie... because in some heavy metal bands have a lot of Tolkines influence, and in the same way the fans wgho told me about the book.

Well, in conclution,, i dont understand the rude criticism against the directors/productis of the movie.

I found this 3 movies sucha gem, and oi enjoyed watching those movies like never before:thumb:

 

[Holdon]

Finally saw it this afternoon and apart from a few parts that I didn't like, I loved it.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

oh no, I am one of those people who made fun of frodo and sam. sorry LOTR fans!

anyway
did anyone cry seeing the movie? i sat behind this lady who took her shawl and blew her nose in it (yuck) she was practically muttering while she was crying

 

[Laurelin_Night_]

Haha, that's funny. I made fun of Frodo, he like "died" 5 times.

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++
for all who criticized this movie..

the records above proves I'm right..

How exactly do box office figures show it to be a good film??

How many people go to see a film has absolutely no relevance to how good the film is.

The people (in most part) havent seen it when they buy the ticket.

This film was allways gonna sell tickets with the success of the first 2 , the wish to see the conclusion and the hype surrounding it

Plenty of crap films make an awful lot of money



As for the film.. as i said before I liked it
Im dissapointed as a hole to the way jackson changed things throughout the course of the three films.

But I feel with the earlier changes made, rotk was about as good as it could have been... besides the ending and the most atrocious editing i have ever seen in a big budget flick

Though the editing issues will be resolved when the scenes are put back in place for the extended dvd so only then will we really see how good this film is.

Also from the parts i have read that are to be inc, the film should in its extended version please most of the tolkian geeks (like myself)

Anyway... I enjoyed it... Though I was getting pretty hacked off by the end of my 4th viewing

 

[kaizer]

++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
anyway
did anyone cry seeing the movie

guilty as charged...! but then again, i was a bit emotional even b4 i saw ROTK. i really enjoyed it....finally, the ring has been destroyed....had to wait 3 damn years for it to happen

 

[violette]

++ [ originally posted by kaizer ] ++

...finally, the ring has been destroyed....had to wait 3 damn years for it to happen

No! More exactly, only Two years!
--->The waiting from 19. Dec. 2001 to 17. Dec. 2003

 

[violette]

(reaching my calculator...)
and That' s #$%^ damn 728 days!


what a long wait!

 

[kaizer]

:LOL: thanxx for calculating that for me....

 

[Gandalf]

++ [ originally posted by violette ] ++
(reaching my calculator...)
and That' s #$%^ damn 728 days!


what a long wait!

for EE DVD:

add 305

728 + 305 = 1033 days..

say WOW to that..

 

[violette]

++ [ originally posted by violette ] ++

quote:
++ [ originally posted by Roverbhoy ] ++

Any real experts on Middle Earth here? I'd like to ask a question about Glorfindel....are there two Glorfindels in the history of ME? One saves Frodo, but the Silmarilion says Glorfindel died much earlier than this fighting a Balrog?

Violette...you know your stuff. Can you help here please?


About Glorfindel Resurrection(?) is really a myth for me.
Is here a bug by JRRT? or is there any other explanation in his works by JRRT? Or maybe he just like Gandalf come back from the Shadow and upgrade to the Glorfindel 2.0?

Sorry! I'm not an expert of the Middle earth.
If you got any question I guess Shadowfax knows better that me. He is the expert here. or you can go here:
www.tolkiensociety.org . I think(?)you can ask any kind of question to them.

Think it twice.
It's a mistake.
J.R.R. Tolkien in his entire life didn't intention to publish The Silmarillion. (Didn't finish it ? or he still need time to polish it? ) It's his Son Christopher Tolkien published it.

Sorry! Professor.